Geez, lots of paleontologists have skeletons in their closets.
Sorry
I for one, enjoyed your pun.
A paleontologist and a pale ontologist walk into a bar…
I mean if your company is owned or adminstrated by an epstein associate they should be forced to put up a sign and register as a sex offender (corporations are people, after all).
This message brought to you by Microsoft*
(*Microsoft is a registered sex offender)
Lmao. That italic/asterisk text would be amazing to see IRL. Although I feel like it would be rarer for a corporation to not have that.
It just seems correct, like how it should have been all along.
I want to announce that everyone in the Epstein files is banned from my house, with the exception of Bill Gates, who was already banned and is now double banned.
Don’t you hate it when a good boycott comes along, and you can’t participate because you’ve already been boycotting them for some previous atrocity? I keep finding good reasons to boycott United, but I’ve been boycotting them for decades.
At this point I whitelist rather than blacklist.
How stunning and brave of you to stand up for what is right.
Clearly those in the files will feel the hot wrath of justice by not being able to ever go over to your place for Hot Pockets and Capri Suns.
I’ll have you know my homemade hummus and baba ganoush platter is the talk of the neighborhood.
Real glad I’m not in the Epstein files right now. I don’t think I could handle missing out on homemade baba ganoush. I’ll pick up some shawarma and be right over
Recipie tax or b&. 🔫
You make them like normal but add more allspice than you’d think is reasonable. And a bit of smoked paprika on the ganoush. And don’t skimp on the olive oil. I’m talking
Also, broil the eggplants after they’re done, before you scoop the goodness out (you can also barbeque them). And don’t blend them, you want that weird texture.
Serve with pita and little boats of celery, carrots. bell pepper, onion, whatever you want that is crunchy and can scoop globs of them
I feel like Mia Wallace after just doing a line of blow in Jack Rabbit Slim’s bathroom. “I said goddamn!”
Excellent contribution, chatter. Uncritical support.
And next up is Jimmy Babaganoosh!
I’ll bring the pita bread my brother in God.
If yall been having people mentioned in the files visiting your house then I got a lot of questions for you that I didn’t have before reading this.
DinoCon for pres
What a time we live in, where somehow this is a hot take. Reading these comments just makes me sad, like how do we have so many fucking boot lickers that are defending associates of child rapists. Good fuck man this society is so trashed. I don’t think we come back from this timeline. We are beyond saving.
Based
Based paleontologists
Wow so many pedo apologizers in the comments.
I never thought I would see pedophilia become a political issue.
The MAGA cult is real.
Well, y’know, those little girls were sluts. /S
My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious.
There’s zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret.
not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile.
he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not.
the notion that anyone who ever interacted with him in anyway is a pedophile or pedophile supporter is an incredibly broad and stupid approach. there are various levels of participation and interact with him. he clearly had an inner circle, an outer circle, and then 10000s of tangential connections with various people. hopefully with more disclosure of the files who is who will become apparent.
punish the guilty who committed crimes. not their associates. guilt by association is cognitive bias that seeks to punish innocent people for merely being in proximity to those who commit crimes.
Epstein’s behavior was publicly well-known long before his initial arrest. I remember my first thought was “Finally, what took them so long?”
Anyone who had ANY contact with him after his 2008 conviction, who pursued any kind of relationship with him - personal, business, friendship, networking, sex client, etc. - is burned. They knew who he was, and any reasonable, moral person, especially one with public responsibilities, should have know to avoid any contact, of any kind.
There was no valid reason for having a personal relationship with Epstein after 2008, and anyone who did, deserves all the public derision and contempt they receive.
This is specifically in regards to those who continued to have correspondence and business dealings with Epstein after his first conviction for raping and rape trafficking literal children. This is not legal punishment, this is an organization drawing a line and choosing to not let these people be involved with them.
You can be very shitty and dangerous person and still be well within the law, these folks are simply protecting themselves and everyone involved with them from people that knowingly interacted and did business with a child rape cabal.
I mean, yes, but also, in the OP statement “after his conviction.”
As in, after we knew what he was doing, why would peoppe ever associate with him again.
Its not even some weird ass “gray area” thing where you are an 18 year old in HS dating a 16 year old at your HS. Its literally sex trafficking of very minor minors.
This is a fair take, and I greatly prefer an “innocent before proven guilty” justice system. I think it’s also fair for you to read the article before commenting.
The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct.
And who is going to determine what misconduct is? They have a crack team of legal experts reading all the files? devil is in the details.
the issue I’m addressing is the broader moral panic and the moral grandstanding that goes along with it that surrounds this whole thing, and pedophilia in general, or that these types of symbolic gestures are some form of justice for the crimes of Epstein and his trafficking associates.
“I don’t like people not interacting with folks who were close to a violent child rapist after knowing he was a violent child rapist, you’re making too big of a deal out of it.” - you
I don’t really think it’s up to DinoCon to solve crimes. Obviously symbolic gestures aren’t justice, but I don’t really see what else DinoCon is supposed to do. Are you honestly asking DinoCon to spin up a crack team of legal experts to manage the epstein case? Maybe we should have GenCon start tracking down serial killers while we’re at it.
Professionally speaking? They should privately dis-invite the speakers or seminar leaders who make questionable appearances in the files, but not make a public hoopla over it. They probably have a ethics of conduct code that might have been demonstrably violated.
But I have no idea what criteria they would be using to make those calls. For all we know maybe they have no codified ethics codes as an organization.
My beef with it is the virtue signalling publicity. Making a big public stink about benefits who exactly? It’s little more than grandstanding moralizing PR.
innocent before proven guilty is only a thing where the crime is actually being investigated. because it’s not, nearly any actions and considerations by individuals is fair game. technically it always was.
Yet the PO(TU)S has put sanctions on judges in Europe for issuing arrest warrants on Netanyathu.
Court of public opinion, eager to find ways to sate their thirst for justice…or investigation…or…literally any action regarding Epstein.
Yes, the general public thinks child rapists and murderers are bad people. So are Nazis and racists.
News at 11
But they elected and keep supporting them, news at 12.
No, I’m not defending Epstein. Fuck that guy and all his cronies. But you guys are being played like a piano.
do elaborate
Big Dino doesn’t want you to know this one secret!
You have literally gone from persecuting child rapists to persecuting people who might be child rapists to people who might be associated with people who might be child rapists. You’re literally persecuting paleontologists. That’s insane.
If I was going to fuck up a society or make a big distraction this is probably how I do it.
Hook them with the worst thing in the world. Get them pointing fingers at each other. And while they’re distracted, fuck with Greenland or something
People directly corresponding with and doing business with someone after they have been convicted of raping and trafficking literal children is a bit beyond association. That’s not hard to comprehend. They’re not taking them to court, they’re choosing to have nothing to do with them.
You’ve got some boot polish on your nose, there.
Defend em some more, please!
100% disagree
won’t somebody think of the poor friends of childrapists who are unable to go to this one conference now? oh the humanity!
I’m not even sure who you’re meant to be defending, and why shouldn’t we shame and court those in the files?
It constantly amazes me how righteously passionate people can get. About people they never met, stuff they never saw, things they know about only pecause the professional rabble-rousers told them so.
My respect level drops.
Oh no! The respect of someone who responds to the epstein files with jealousy and defense!
Jealousy and defence? I’m citing justice and common decency.
Justice is pedophiles being centrifuged into their constituent elements.
Wait but we’re not talking about pedophiles are we? We’re talking about people who communicated with an organization run by pedophiles. That’s a big difference.
“ThEy’rE not PedOPhiLeS ThEy JuSt ARe FriENdS with MaNY Of tHeM DaS Not ThE sAmE”
If you know they’re terrible people, and you continue to have connections to them then you’re either terrible also, or an enabler.
Any person who was over 20 years old who sexually assaulted any person under 15 years old, and ANY WHO KNEW IT and didn’t shout it from the mountaintops deserves to die, or rot in a hole.
They probably aren’t even friends. Maybe they just exchanged an email. You don’t know.
they probably aren’t even friends
You don’t know either, all we can do is use our best judgement.
If someone’s name pops up 3 times in 4 million documents, I would give the benefit of the doubt, but if somebody has been to ‘Rape Island’ 30 times then I’m going to cut ties with them, their business, and anybody who says ‘YoU dOn’T kNoW for SuRe’
Too many people forget that “Innocent until proven guilty” is for the law, not for ethics.
My ethics tell me that if you’re not blatantly denouncing a child rapist, you are not a good person.
Did anyone in this thread read the article?
According to the Montana Standard, after his name surfaced in the released files, Horner posted, and later deleted, a social media statement calling his decision to pursue Epstein’s support an extremely poor judgment. He said that while he knew Epstein had been convicted of soliciting prostitution, he was unaware of Epstein’s broader sex trafficking operation until years later.
Horner wrote that his visit involved only Epstein, staff, and several women introduced as college students. He said Epstein donated $10,000 toward a 2012 DinoChicken conference but otherwise declined to fund his research. “There was nothing weird, inappropriate, or out of the ordinary,” Horner said in the statement.
The Society of Vertebrate Paleontology released a notice to members last week, cautioning that inclusion in the Epstein files does not alone imply misconduct.
Those are sketchy circumstances, I think a ban from events is more than fair under the circumstances. Normally I would expect a ban like this to be lifted once feds completed their investigation (assuming no wrongdoing occurred), but obviously the feds aren’t interested in investigating, so we may not get the chance to know whether or not there’s more to this.
I think it’s fair to expect the justice system to pursue “innocent before proven guilty”, but private organizations ban and/or suspend members all the time due to credible accusations, even if they haven’t been convicted in a court of law.
What a coincidence, my respect level for you just followed that same arc as I read your half baked comment!
If someone is convicted of murder and you know it but didn’t see it, did it really happen? Despite what you may believe trees do make noises when falling in a forest unobserved.
As an aside, the tree falling the woods saying is incredibly dumb, of course it makes a noise. The part that’s supposed to be thought provoking is the assumption that the entire world revolves around our lives, a bacteria on the surface of a piece of dust in an incomprehensibly larger whole. But no, physics is an illusion that doesn’t exist outside of us experiencing it.
Of course it is dumb but it is one many understand and it illustrates a point. Do you have an alternative that is as recognizable and is just as eloquent?
Moral standards matter; even if you never met the victim, or saw the abuse happening, and the source is (like you said) “professional rabble-rousers”.
I think the DinoCon is doing the right thing.
because it’s easy to moralize and grandstand about strangers
That is commendable.
Genuinely curious if they had the same resolve when it comes to the genociders and those affiliated with them.You’re right, they should ban russians who support the genocide currently being attempted in Ukraine.
STFU ziofascist.
To be fair, if I was a powerful or important person, and I found out this guy can get me anything, and didn’t know he was a pedophile, I’d want to network too. (Also to be fair, his face would scare me away too).
What do you think the odds are that these Paleontologists are kiddie diddlers?
after the conviction
Yeah no pity there.
Username checks out
Post 2008 it was public knowledge JE was a pedophile
What do you think the odds are that these Paleontologists are kiddie diddlers?
As much as any other profession
Well, it’s also possible that all of these other people have faith in the system that Epstein was fully rehabilitated by going to jail 12 hours a day for a few months.
In the same way that its also possible that monkeys will fly out of my butt and deliver me a million dollars.
ragebait
Hey! I didn’t know it was after the conviction.
Why not? It’s in the post. Or did you not actually read before commenting?
I forget things really fast, it’s not that I’m truly dumb.
I could probably do great things…if I didn’t suffer from some sort of amnesia or whatever the fuck this horrible, horrible thing is.
Agreed. And on the face of it, this paleontological organization is being unjust. Engaging in justice theater even.
If the communication was prior to Epstein’s conviction I might be inclined to provide some leeway – all else being equal. If the communication was after Epstein’s conviction they should be very firm.
So “a communication” constitutes such strong evidence for conviction that we need neither judge nor jury? Interesting.
Judges and juries are for dolling out legal punishment, such as prison time. Private organizations run by ethcal adults can judge for themselves the very obvious connections and guilt or innocence of people they choose to hire or associate with (or not associate with).
No one is facing any consequence from judges and juries in the US.
Unfortunately that is true. This is why it is even MORE important for private individuals and organizations to do what they can with the limited nongovernmental power they have.
Judges and juries are for establishing just action. If we care about just action then we use a judge and jury. It is inconvenient and imperfect, but it’s better than trusting individuals. That’s why we do it. Not because it’s the governmenty thing to do
“It’s better than trusting individuals”
What the fuck do you think judges and juries are?
Do you believe in free association? Do you think people should be forced to associate with people they do not want to? Suppose someone got off legally due to a technicality but anyone paying attention with common sense knew that person was guilty? Should I be forced to associate with such a person? Suppose one of those people applies for a job as science teacher for a middle school; should that middle school be forced to hire such a person?
sounds like you’re siding with the confirmed child abusers, in which case justice would be two bullets in the back of your head
Actually I’m siding with people who communicated with confirmed child abusers.
Get a grip.
If you were rich you’d love to have been one of those associates it seems. It’s the only explanation for the way you defend them. The absolute dissonance required to be like, “yeah he was is sex trafficking minors, but i wonder if he can also throw me a good normal party on his island that is totally normal” is asinine… These people don’t need your defense. Why are you even bothering?
wood chipper it is
Here’s the cool thing, I don’t give a single fuck why you were communicating with the guy. If you had a relationship with him, you get thrown in the wood chipper. After every single person is thrown in, we can sort through the pile of viscera and determine guilt.
We CANNOT allow these people to remain in the position of power they are in for the duration of the obviously EXTENSIVE investigation that is needed.
Ok, that is exactly what I’m concerned of. I suspect that there are people on the list that had nothing to do with kiddy diddling, and that this might be how he got power over them in the first place.
We might have ended up in a shitty world, solely due to that one fucker.
It makes sense though, that’s my attitude to billionaires in general. 3000 people are simply…NOTHING compared to say, a million innocent people killed in Gaza because they exist, so you have a point there.
As much as I hate to create a world where anyone could be sacrificed, things have passed the godzilla threshold.
we should track down every barista who ever sold him coffee and throw them in the woodchipper too!!!
We should track down whoever is making our frogs have tits!
Alex Jones dumping penis pills in the local lake is what caused big titted frogs
Ah yes, every time it’s billionaires and their people that are facing consequences all of a sudden we worry about the innocent being convicted, even as we know they aren’t innocent. They always play us, after conviction they will slip all of this talk about the carceral system not being rehabilitative, long enough to help give the judge they pay off cause to give them a lighter sentence.
Enough. These people were not just abusing girls and everything else, they were doing it to blackmail people to give them license to abuse others, abuses that are ongoing, and worse every day. Not problems confined to gaza and the west bank and iran either, it’s coming home.
There is nothing that can stop our trajectory into the abyss, except this scandal. It’s they key to laying waste to the corrupt oligarchy leading us to ruin, and on the cusp of killing our republic in all but name and replacing it with an unthinkable kakistocracy.
Yeah, I’m willing to sacrifice some billionaires for the greater good, without hesitation.
Sadly, not in the position to do so effectively.
There are no innocent billionaires anyway.
Wait, if I were to become a billionaire, would I get at least 30 days to give up wealth, or would I be considered evil instantly?
The act making a billion dollars alone requires acts that deserve a guillotine. I’d argue anyone actively trying to become a billionaire should be lined up for the wood chipper.
Are we gonna ignore the exploitation it took for you to have 900 million? 800? 500?.. nobody has an exact cutoff, but at some point an individual has effectively won capitalism, and that point is looooong before you reach 1 billion.
She is a witch. Buying potatoes from her is the same as congress with the devil.
-Elder Edict, ~1350
Did this witch have sole control over more wealth and personel than entire nation states? Because if not, it’s a nonsense sentence
Your logical fallacy is: false equivalence.
I think it’s pretty dead on.
Which is why we know you’re a fucked up person.
of course, this witch is a known and convicted child rapist and trafficker, dead on I say, dead on
I like that they’re also banning anyone not doing a similar ban
“Hold people accountable or else we will hold you accountable”
What if you’re not sure all this passionate witch-hunting is a good thing? Is that allowed?
It’s banning sunshine from a convention, not throwing them in prison. That’s not witch hunting, that’s something every convention does with problematic guests. Conventions are held by organizations and businesses - they have just as much right to kick and ban people as any other org or business. Nobody’s being hurt, persecuted, or prosecuted. Your argument is invalid.
Last I checked people being associated with others who have raped, mutilated, and killed children for little more than a power grab also makes you a horrible person by association.
There are many levels of association.
For example, I might be invited to a conference. And I might decline that invitation. There now we’re associated by those emails. Am I a horrible person now?
If that was an argument such people could make, they’re welcome to present evidence.
However, anyone who voluntarily associated with the world’s worst pedophile after his conviction has no excuse. Comparing people to the company they keep has been valid since the beginning of time.
The question was : am I a horrible person now?
They answered. If you have evidence that you declined, then no.
From the wording I’m willing to bet they did a bit more investigation than just doing a pass/fail on a Ctrl+f
I do strongly suspect so. That or bot.
For example, I might be invited to a conference. And I might decline that invitation. There now we’re associated by those emails. Am I a horrible person now?
Did you reach out to ask to be invited? Or did you receive an invite and decline it. Because we’re talking about the former. We’re talking about people who reached out to Epstein or his associates. They were in contact with.
So yes, that would make you a horrible person, especially after the allegations came out. And you’re a horrible person for doing your absolute damndest to defend these people.
You got banned from Dinocon, didn’t you.
Witches are fictional. The above is not.
Don’t overheat your little 2-bit processor now
Excuse me? Witch hunts were fueled by religious superstition. People were hanged, burned, drowned for being things that don’t exist in the real world, and bedding a fallen angel for magical powers. Tell me how the fuck this correlates. Aside from Epstein and Trump being the fucking Devil.
Secondary sanctions from a dino convention. Based.
Ditto. Specially because they’re focusing on the executives of those organisations, i.e. the people with actual decision power. That’s the right way to do it.
