• ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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    That’s my issue with people saying stuff like “I can immediately tell when a picture is made with AI and I hate how they look”

    Your assesment doesn’t take into account all the false negatives. You have no idea how many pictures have tricked you already. By definition, the picture is badly made if you can immediately tell it’s AI. That’s a bit like seeing the most flamboyantly gay person on the street and thinking all gays look like that and you can always spot them while the closeted friend you’re with flies perfectly under the radar.

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      I recently saw a photo on some website. It was from a Trump rally, and people had these freaky, ecstatic looks on their faces. Somebody commented that it looked like AI. Other people soon agreed; one of them remarked on the bizarre, “alien” hand on one of the babies in the crowd. That hand did look weird. There were too few fingers. It looked like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle hand.

      The problem was that this image was originally from a news story that was years prior to ChatGPT and the current AI boom. For this to be AI, the photographer would’ve had to have access to experimental software that was years away from being released to the public.

      Sometimes people just look weird and, sometimes, they have weird hands, too.

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        While your point that sometimes people just have AI image associated traits is very salient, I worry you might not be considering the lengths these things will be used and why online discourse (in my worried opinion) is utterly fucked: The past ain’t safe either.

        For now we still have archive.org but without a third party/external source validating that old content…you can’t be sure it’s actually old content.

        It’s trivial to get LLMs to get image gen prompts done to “spice up those old news posts” at best (without remembering to tag the article edited/updated or bypassing that flag entirely)…and utterly fuck the very foundation of shared and accepted past reality not just presently but to anyone using the internet itself to look through the lens of the past at worst.

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        AI image generators have been around for a fairly long time. I remember deepfake discussion from about a decade ago. Not saying the image in discussion is though. I remember Alex Jones making conspiracy theories that revolved around Bush and lossy video compression artifacts too.

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      Reminds me of all the people who believe commercials and advertising doesn’t work on them. Sure, that’s why billions are spent on it. Because it doesn’t even do anything. Oh it only works on all the other people?

      That’s why it is so hard to get that stuff regulated. People believe it doesn’t work on them.

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        That’s the real fear of AI. Not that it’s stealing art jobs or whatever. But that all it takes is for a politician or business man to claim something is AI, no matter how corroborated it is and throw the whole investigation for a loop. It’s not a thing now, because no one knows about advanced AI (except for internet bubbles) and it’s still thought that you can easily differentiate images, but imagine even 5 years from, or 10.

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      Many unedited or using old Ai images I can detect with one look. A few more I can find by looking for inconsistencies like hands or illogical items.

      However I am sure there will be more AI generated images that may even be a little bit edited afterwards that I can’t detect.

      You will need an ai to detect them. Since at least in images ai is detectable by the way they create the files.

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        In AI-generated sound you can see it in the waveform, it has less random noise altogether and it seems like a huge, well, wave. I wonder if sth similar is true for images.

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          Basically yes, lack of detail, especially small things like hair or fingers. The texture/definition in AI images is usually less. Though, once again, depends on the technique being used.

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    As a visually impaired person on the internet. YES! welcome to our world!

    You’re lucky enough to get an image description that helpfully describes the image.

    That description rarely tells you if it’s AI generated, that’s if the description writer even knows themselves.

    Everyone in the comments saying “look at the hands, that’s AI generated”, and I’m sitting here thinking, I just have to trust the discussion, because that image, just like every other image I’ve ever seen, is hard to fully decipher visually, let alone look for evidence of AI.

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        Honestly, auto generating text descriptions for visually impaired people is probably one of the few potential good uses for LLM + CLIP. Being able to have a brief but accurate description without relying on some jackass to have written it is a bonefied good thing. It isn’t even eliminating anyone’s job since the jackass doesn’t always do it in the first place.

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          I am so sorry, and i agree with your point, but i really had a good laugh at my mental image of a bonefied good thing :-)

          If you know already or it’s autocorrect, just ignore me, if not, it’s bona fide :-)

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          The models that do that now are very capable but aren’t tuned properly IMO. They are overly flowery and sickly positive even when describing something plain. Prompting them to be more succinct only has them cut themselves off and leave out important things. But I can totally see that improving soon.

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            Unfortunately the models are have trained on biased data.

            I’ve run some of my own photos through various “lens” style description generators as an experiment and knowing the full context of the image makes the generated description more hilarious.

            Sometimes the model tries to extrapolate context, for example it will randomly decide to describe an older woman as a “mother” if there is also a child in the photo. Even if a human eye could tell you from context it’s more likely a teacher and a student, but there’s a lot a human can do that a bot can’t, including having common sense to use appropriate language when describing people.

            Image descriptions will always be flawed because the focus of the image is always filtered through the description writer. It’s impossible to remove all bias. For example, because of who I am as a person, it would never occur to me to even look at someone’s eyes in a portrait, let alone write what colour they are in the image description. But for someone else, eyes may be super important to them, they always notice eyes, even subconsciously, so they make sure to note the eyes in their description.

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      I’ve never seen a good answer to this in accessibility guides, would you mind making a recommendation? Is there any preferred alt text for something like:

      • “clarification image with an arrow pointing at object”
      • “Picture of a butt selfie, it’s completely black”
      • “Picture of a table with nothing on it”
      • “example of lens flare shown from camera”
      • “N/A” dangerous

      Sometimes an image is clearly only useful as a visual aid, I feel like “” (exluding it) makes people feel like they are missing the joke. But given it’s an accessibility tool; unneeded details may waste your time.

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        I guess my question would be, why do you need the picture as a visual aid, is the accompanying body text confusing without that visual aid? and if so, by having no alt text, you accept that you will leave VI people confused and only sighted people will have the clarification needed.

        If your including a picture of a table with nothing on it, there’s a reason, so yes, that alt text is perfectly reasonable.

        Personally I wish there was a way to enable two types of alt text on images, for long and quick context.

        Because I understand your concern about unnecessary detail, if I’m in a rush “a table with nothing on it” will do for quicker context, but there are times when it’s appropriate to go much deeper, “a picture of a hard wood rustic coffee table, taken from a high angle, natural sunlight, there are no objects on the table.”

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        They exist but none of them are perfect - they can’t possibly be perfect. It’s a bit of an arms race thing where AI images get more accurate and the detection software get more particular to match, however the economic incentives are on the side of the former.

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        I think so, but I don’t have the mental energy at the moment to sit down and figure out if the AI detection software is accessible either. I know some of my colleagues use programs to check student work for LLM plagerism, but I don’t assign work that can be done via an LLM so I haven’t looked into that, and that’s different from the AI images.

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    People are freaking out because for years, the central dogma was to “educate yourself, that makes you special, that makes you unique, that guarantees you a prosperois economic future” and such, and now this promise is about to be broken. People are in denial: AI is a good thing.

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      People are in denial: AI is a good thing.

      Not in our broken ass system. First we need an economic system where people want to, but don’t need to work.

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        That better system looks more realistic now that we can have AI and robots do nearly everything. The artificial scarcity is becoming more and more obvious.

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          Without scarcity, artificial or not, the ruling class loses their grip on power. Capital will manufacture scarcity to whatever degree it is capable of, because without it there’s even less justification for owners to exist at the top of this neat little hierarchy they desperately cling to. They need to have their gated fortresses and their toys, cleanly separated from the rest of us undesirables.

          They’ll use AI to bolster the security of their bunkers while drying up the rivers to run them. The whole while, they’ll blame any economic decline on the claim that “nobody wants to work anymore” after having automated all the jobs and offering no replacements.

          I’d like to believe an alternative is possible. Perhaps we can come together and push for a better future, but that doesn’t seem to be the way things are going currently.

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          Human nature is the real issue tbh. Scarcity was always the easier problem.

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      if you don’t have a job, you don’t get paid, so you lack basic things.

      if robots just did everything, and necessities (food, water, heating, cooling, etc) were free, then that would be great. unfortunately, that’s not the reality we live in right now, so of course plenty of people (including myself) don’t like AI.

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        Isn’t this hate somewhat misplaced, still? Like, AI under capitalism might hurt you, but the problem is not AI.

        Instead of working on core issue, many people try to ban every symptom, and it might be a very simple distraction tool.

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      I agree 100% with this. Often arguments “against” AI summarize to “it is my suffering what gave my art value, so yours has none.”

      Bro, that’s what capitalism told you. Your issue is not the “value” of AI it is the system that assigns and controls said value.

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      Well, it’s good — if some of the profits of the increased productivity make it to the people who aren’t billionaires or multimillionaires.

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      Bullshit. AI is taking over everything I enjoy doing. Drawing, writing, making music, what will be left to accomplish? To create? To have pride in?

      There’s no pride in clicking generate every couple minutes.

      Curse this lifeless world we now live.

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    obligatory meme generated by AI (flux 1.dev on my rtx 4070 super)

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      You said (almost) the same thing as the top comment, an hour earlier, too, yet you only have 3 updoots, while they have 60+. What gives? Is it because you’re from hexbear and most simply don’t see your comment?

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        Lemmy.World is the largest instance, and they preemptively defederated from hexbear.net a year ago, citing several examples of user comments that they wanted to protect their own userbase from.

        Many other large instances have done similarly - another one is programming.dev (statement), although in their case if was merely to prevent one-sided conversations after hexbear.net defederated from them. The funny part of that story is how the admins took a vote, which indicated an unwillingness to defederate (27 to 19) but then did it anyway:-).

        Anyway, many users of hexbear.net have made quite the reputation for themselves around the Fediverse, to the point where MANY instances felt the need to defederate from the entire instance (think: Truth Social but claiming to be leftist). And at this point, many users on it seem proud of that or at least consider it part of the cost of traversing the wider Fediverse using an account based on hexbear.net.

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          Yeah, I know they have been defederated to pieces, albeit not in as much detail as you provided, I was just trying to confirm that that was the reason, to better understand how federation works. Our instance has lately been blocking some of their communities, too.

          I don’t quite understand the vote results, especially in conjunction with the post content, I don’t see any ties, but I was most surprised by the fact that they voted to defederate from blahaj.zone? Isn’t hexbear rabidly pro-inclusion, in particular regarding trans people?

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            A summary of what happened between Blahaj.Zone and Hexbear.Net

            Ada, an instance admin of Blahaj.Zone is extremely welcoming and inclusive - I have always actively looked forward to reading anything they say wherever/whenever I encounter such across the Fediverse, and have never been disappointed so far. They, like the instance overall, are the real deal(s).

            Unfortunately, hexbear.net merely pretends to be thus, but like everything else they do it is a farce while their real goal is to be argumentative. They are actually quite open about this if you read past the initial prepared statements (or even read the official sidebar of the_dunk_tank) - on the instance they call it “dunking on” people, or “struggle sessions”, and no matter how many users, mods, and even admins/devs they turn away as a result (as that vote post mentions), they cannot seem to help themselves, even outside of their echo chambers where that is allowed & actively encouraged. Even/especially when their own admins beg & plead - and yes, also explicitly command - their userbase to FUCKING STOP… they will not. And so far I haven’t even mentioned the brigading… no matter how deeply I delve into this, there is always more.

            Defederation is - and should be - always a last resort. That said, it is necessary sometimes, b/c as it has been said the only thing that can never be tolerated is intolerance - e.g. if cancer cells refuse to inhibit their own growth, then it must be cut out for the sake of the rest of the body to live. Also, as you see, it was actually hexbear.net that initiated the defederation from most of those places not the other way around - Lemmy.World did not wait to be offered the chance to be on the receiving end, but for programming.dev, Blahaj.Zone, and Lemm.ee (which was kicked off but later refederated, read also from hexbear) it was hexbear.net’s choice, and the reverse defederation was only in friendliness to avoid dangling one-sided conversations where users on their platforms could talk to those on hexbear but the latter would not even know that there was a message awaiting their receipt, and subsequent response - as you are asking about here but in reverse.

            Startrek.website and mander.xyz tend to have their own focus and not attract all of this drama, hence why someone from hexbear.net can see the post and also comment on it, but users on e.g. lemmy.world, programming.dev, or lemmy.blahaj.zone would not see that comment. The hexbear user is thus shouting into the void, with respect to those instances, though not to ours who can see both.

            The sad fact (imho) is that new visitors to the Fediverse will never have any of this explained to them - instead, they have to do something like personally make the mistake of replying to a post in ChapoTrapHouse, found by sorting your feed by All rather than Subscribed, and then after WEEKS and WEEKS and WEEKS of batshit insane responses that do not end despite zero response back from said user, they finally will know what to expect from hexbear.net: overall (as a pattern) they enjoy argumentation, do not constrain themselves to that process being logical or the statements to be factual, but they sure do enjoy the “dunking on” process, so long as it is delivered from them to others, though obviously not in return. And from the other side, users of hexbear.net will notice how very few people “react” to their posts made in those communities they can see outside of their instance - essentially for them the Fediverse contains fewer users, from their perspective. And then from our side, we see the drama between their sides, more so than even they do themselves.

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              When I first joined the Fediverse, back when Reddit 3rd party apps got nuked, I joined lemmy.world. While I didn’t see Hexbear post, comments, etc., but I did see plenty of comments of people mentioning them and warning about them. So by the time I switched to startrek.website (don’t remember why I decided to leave l.w, must have been due to some defederations) and finally encountered the mythical beast, I was already thoroughly prepared for it. So I would say, in general, newbies shouldn’t be entirely shocked to encounter a tankie, as they are mentioned a lot.

              And tbh, I prefer to stay federated with Hexbear, because among all the mindless circlejerk propaganda they will sometimes point out a fair criticism about the western culture/politics that I haven’t considered. In addition, as a half Ukrainian who was living in Kyiv at the time of invasion, I prefer to know what kind of ideas and misinformation is being circulated on the other side.
              Hexbear wouldn’t even be that bad if they just stopped pretending that only western empires are evil, and stopped bootlicking the leaders of the pseudo-communist countries. A LOT more people would agree with them if they were only anti-western, instead of also being pro-dictators. But then they wouldn’t be tankies, I suppose.

              Btw, Hexbear reminds me a lot of r/GamingCircleJerk. They also have a semi-noble cause, but express it in such a way that rubs EVERYONE the wrong way, not just the “Capital-G Gamers” who they are rightfully mocking. Because of that, r/GCJ has caused several site-wide dramas and inconvenienced people. They both also operate in this constant state of maximum sarcasm, so you can never tell if they are saying is a hyperbole or they are being serious but insane.

              Regarding Blahaj.zone, I haven’t interacted much with them, but I one day discovered that I’m banned from their c/196 because “Transphobe”. It wasn’t even due to an interaction with that community directly. In a completely different instance, I think it was lemmy.world, I commented with a question about why a user’s comment was called being transphobic. I then got mocked and eventually banned. So Idk if it was mod of that specific community or whole instance. I seem to be able to interact with Blahaj post from other communities though.

              And thank you for these massive posts. You seem to be a proper Lemmy historian, might need to remember your username for future potential inquiries.

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                I think that - like porn, receiving catcalls as you walk down the street, and spam marketing solicitations - being able to interact with people who ignore consent should be opt-IN, rather than have to be opt-OUT. I see that you have a valid reason for wanting to hear what they have to say… but for myself I almost left the Fediverse upon stumbling into ChapoTrapHouse, and again another similar incident in lemmygrad.ml. Whereas now, I have blocked both of those plus also Lemmy.ml, and I kid you not, >99% of the toxicity is instantly gone from my feed. The latter also blocks some innocent people too, who may try to discourse with me and not realize that I will not receive a “notification” about it, but I have made my peace with that, since on the whole I do not want to make time for that shit in my life.

                On Reddit I used to pride myself that I had never blocked anyone - and as a mod it wouldn’t have helped anyway - but now I value my time and sanity more I guess:-). Seriously, it takes a mental toll: it makes you more defensive, more cagey, less likely to speak for fear of being misunderstood and pounced upon, and when you do speak your own answers become more snarky, in closer alignment with even if nowhere near the extreme that theirs does. I felt it was affecting my communication at my irl job, and was ready to leave social media altogether even before Rexodus happened, and I found here. Fortunately Kbin.social showed me a friendlier side of the Fediverse, before it went defunct and I saw the rest. Now, literally every single person that I tell about Lemmy irl gives me dirty looks the next time we talk, citing the high volume of extremist content here, calling for literal and bloody violence. Forcing new users to be exposed to this content as being opt-out rather than opt-in is going to SEVERELY hinder the survivability of Lemmy, much less growth.

                Plus, as you’ve seen, it leads to things like those communities being banned outright, even from instances such as this one that haven’t gone the full defederation route. It would be SO MUCH friendlier to simply “label” the content… but that would take extra work effort from the developers, plus who would write up those labels (I think it should be the very communities themselves - but they haven’t taken such an initiative so far, e.g. in their sidebar areas, or even to follow the rules that their very own admins commanded them to do) and anyway here we are, so we work with the tools we have. Which are at least better than they used to be, and improving all the time:-). One down-side is that every instance that gets defederated leads to another one receiving a bunch of new alts so it merely shifts the line. Right now that is lemmy.ml, but with so many people blocking them these days it will soon shift to midwest.social, and then from there… As I guess you know, these are people who refuse to follow the rules - even their own - yet demand to be HEARD, the consent of those who do not want to listen be damned.

                Blaze knows like 1000x more than me - e.g. they introduced me to that !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca community, and afterwards we both keep telling anyone who will listen about it:-). Speaking of, they will tell you the same: check out lemm.ee as a server that basically does not defederate from anyone. I checked their modlog and don’t see any communities removed from hexbear.net, and both https://lemm.ee/c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net and https://lemm.ee/c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net work. If you want something that sits solidly on neutral ground to survey all around you, that one is the hot pick right now. Though it is far from the only one - e.g. another is https://reddthat.com, still another is lemmy.zip, and there’s others too. All of those have even remained federated with lemmygrad.ml, as well as hexbear.net. Ofc you can always go visit hexbear.net itself too - either with an alt or if you don’t want to vote or talk, without an account. There are many paths available to you:-). Ironically lemmy.ml itself would not be ideal, b/c it has defederated from lemmygrad.ml (I don’t know why:-).

                196 sounds like a simple misunderstanding, though exactly what we are talking about here: they had a golden opportunity to listen patiently, assess where you were coming from with your question, and if you were “wrong” then to educate you about the situation - to all of which you (as I would in your place) extremely likely would have said THANK YOU, whether they managed to cause you to change your mind or not, for e.g. spending the time and engaging in that proper, civil conversation. Fwiw, I’ve never heard Ada (the admin) fly off the handle like that, and conversely have talked about being the way I described above instead. So I’m sure it was just a power-tripping mod of that single community - yes we have those here too, that was not merely a thing of our shared Reddit past:-P. I too get weird vibes from it and it is the only - and first - community that I always banned whenever I made a new account somewhere on the Fediverse. I hope that did not sour your experience with the rest of that instance… but if so, it is their loss. Though like my own bad experiences with ChapoTrapHouse and lemmygrad.ml, it is good that both of us did not simply abandon the entire concept of the Fediverse, b/c there really are good people here, even though there’s also a lot of noise and children’s chatter about as well.

                Anyway I am glad that you managed to solve this mystery - of hexbear.net not being defederated, but those certain communities residing on it having been removed - that was indeed seemed quite strange to me!:-)

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                  I suppose you have a point. If Hexbear wasn’t defederated from other big instances, then they would be more prominent in smaller instances that federate with them too. And when there’s a lot of them, everywhere becomes a circlejerk. I mean, both Reddit and Lemmy are circlejerk-y by nature, but at least the circlejerks are usually less harmful than what HB does. I personally haven’t had the pleasure to deal with lemmygrad, I think, but lemmy.ml seems just slightly harder lefty Lemmy, I haven’t so far seen anything extreme, so Idk if they are toxic.
                  And again, I think the entire nature of this up/downvote-based media is somewhat toxic. People routinely interpret comments in the worst possible way and pile on it.

                  The c/196 was unfortunate. It is my only ever ban (so far), as I’m an extremely reasonable person. I have to say that my initial reaction was that, indeed, that instance doesn’t want to have a conversation, but have everyone automatically accept whatever they think is right. But if you’re saying that the community is an outlier, I believe you.

                  Your listing of alternative instances was helpful as I’m too lazy to look around, and would likely not found that info on my own. So far our instance is good enough, I think, but I’ll consider the alternatives. Thank you for that, too.

                  Btw, if you’re blocking all Hexbear stuff, how did you find my comment? It’s a response to a Hexbear user. So you see their comment as well?

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            Hexbear has very tight moderation to make sure it’s a comfortable place for minorities and people who don’t like interacting with racism, misogyny, transphobia etc. I browse blahaj.zone occasionally and its moderation is just not good. The trans communities attract chasers which makes me not want to post there, and in 196 I regularly come across posts that are misogynistic or transphobic and have been up for days. I always report them and they often (not always) get deleted after like a day, which in my opinion is too late because the harm has been done (a 2 day old post should have been removed whenever a mod came across it).

            On hexbear I’ve not seen posts that were so blatantly misogynistic or transphobic, and posts get removed much faster. This is why many trans people in our community don’t want to federate with blahaj.

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              Idk if you see @OpenStars’ comment, but he provided a link to the summary from blahaj.zone’s perspective. It does mention an incident with c/196, but it’s not the whole picture.

              In short, users from Blahaj.Zone (as well as other Lemmy instances) were complaining about Hexbear users’ obnoxious behavior, “Hexbear users calling people “libs” as an insult, denying crimes of Russia and China, denying the crimes of Stalin.”
              Users started asking to defederate from Hexbear and admin of Blahaj.Zone opened a thread to talk about it, which Hexbear users attacked and spammed the thread with images. Then, Hexbear user complained about c/196, that their comments were being removed, “comments that called out the use of the r-word and other call-outs”. At which point, Hexbear preemptively defederated from Blahaj, mostly citing the incident above.

              I linked the whole thing, so you can see the details for yourself. But at the end of the day, I would say that the incident started with Hexbear users being Hexbear users.

              But also, what are “chasers”?

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                I was referring to the last time we had a discussion on hexbear about a possible refederation with blahaj which was a few months ago. The drama around the defederation wasn’t really relevant for that discussion as it was a long time ago. Blahaj’s admin is open to federation with hexbear because we have a huge trans community and it would be nice to connect them with the community in blahaj, but due to the issues I mentioned it’s not really in the best interest of our trans community to federate.

                Chasers are people who fetishise trans people. Trans spaces often attract people who won’t stop talking about our body parts which gets very uncomfortable.

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            @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know why people on startrek.website cannot see certain communities on e.g. hexbear.net?

            I did not think it was even possible to block specific communities from an instance. I thought what Farid might be referring to is a change where some communities are allowed to be set to “local-only”, so that only those with an account specifically from that instance can make posts there. Then again, https://hexbear.net/c/chapotraphouse says that its Visibility is set to “Public” (even though I thought they said that they looked forward to changing it - did that never happen?).

            Various methods of linking that I’ve tried - explained in this guide post (btw @abfarid@startrek.website that is a neat community to subscribe to!:-) - such as https://startrek.website/c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net does not work for me, and the bang syntax never auto-completes it? Even this kind of searching https://startrek.website/search?q=!chapotraphouse&type=Communities&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll for the community name does not work either (despite ChapoTrapHouse specifically saying that it should in its sidebar), nor clicking Communities, select All rather than Local, and type e.g. “chapo”. So it is not merely that nobody has subscribed yet - this instance seems somehow to really not be aware of that community?

            Perhaps this is a (new?) style of “partial defederation”, where not the users but the communities on an instance are excluded. But that cannot be right either, b/c e.g. https://startrek.website/c/Technology@hexbear.net works (it has no visible posts, though that is normal behavior whenever nobody has ever subscribed to it before from a particular instance, in this case star trek, but if one of us subscribed then roughly a day later the posts should be there - for comparison, https://startrek.website/c/Technology@lemmy.world also works and shows the posts). Though neither https://startrek.website/c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net nor https://startrek.website/c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net work. So some communities on hexbear.net seem to be selectively excluded from federation on startrek.website.

            To be clear I am not complaining - this is actually a helpful protection against users going into those unawares, as in: if they refuse to mark their communities as local then they should not be surprised when others make that choice for them - though I am curious.:-)

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                Oh that’s fascinating. Again I did not even know that was possible - it looks like someone, but a mod, NOT an admin? - removed it a month ago, then 13 days ago unremoved it and then removed it again. These must be some new features involving the mod user tools from 0.19.5, bc I thought that previously that was not possible.

                Also, the mod log may not be telling the full truth there - bc who would such a “mod” be, like how could there be a mod of Chapotraphouse of hexbear.net from startrek.website? - it does seem rather something that only an admin should be able to do. The totalitarian Lemmy.ml devs routinely hide stuff from the modlog though so it makes sense that this too is merely what it says but not what happened.

                It looks like you’d have to talk to the Star Trek admins to find out more.

                The main page sidebar says they are at a Mastodon instance though.

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          (think: Truth Social but claiming to be leftist).

          This is disingenuous a hell and just some horseshoe theory bullshit where you insinuate we are the same as fascists because you feel uncomfortable with any criticism of liberalism from anyone to your left.

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            It is a fact that it is my opinion that hexbear users are (a) overly aggressive, (b) spout meaningless nonsense more often than not, and therefore (c) a waste of my time. However, you are just as equally free to hold your own opinion. Have a great day!

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    One thing that happened is that I see AI spam farms less and less on some platforms, others are started to refusing to label theirs as such on art platforms like Pixiv, to have a wider reach (they get immediately blocked and mass reported by normal people).

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        I find it very funny that people are so concerned about false positives. Models like these should really only be used as a screening tool to catch things and flag them for human review. In that context, false positives seem less bad than false negatives (although, people seem to demand zero error in either direction, and that’s just silly).

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        If you don’t mind, I’d be interested to see the images you used. The broad validation tests I’ve done suggest 80-90% accuracy in general, but there are some specific categories (anime, for example) on which it performs kinda poorly. If your test samples have something in common it would be good to know so I can work on a fix.