Damn turns out I’m not depressed I just needed some magnesium
i know you’re joking but fuck, sometimes it do be like that.
Obviously nobody should infantalise people suffering from depression by telling them to “just be happy”, “go outside” etc. but if you’re malnourished, have vitamin deficiencies, don’t go out to hang out with the human tribe, and sit in your home the entire day without moving - you’re going to feel like shite. Fixing those problems won’t cure clinical depression, but the other way round is true too - getting meds for depression won’t cure you of feeling like shit if you don’t use the chance they give you to try to improve your life yourself.
I had an iodine deficiency! I wasn’t eating dairy or eggs, I was cooking my own food from scratch, and I was using sea salt instead of iodized salt. In addition, I like drinking alcohol which makes it harder to absorb iodine. Felt like shit. Couldn’t muster the energy to give the slightest shit about anything.
Got blood work done and found out. So I started taking a supplement every other day for it specifically because I’m just not getting it in my diet. I’m feeling pretty great now.
I don’t think supplements are generally the answer, but having a work up done and learning some shit about yourself can be pretty eye opening and point you at what you need to do to fix your diet. It’s a good first step, but not a magic bullet.
i’d say everyone should just try an all-round supplement for a while, and if that makes you feel like you’ve been reborn you know you had some sort of deficiency, and you can just try to identify it.
So like, they’re more of a temporary tool than a golden bullet, IMO
Vitamin deficiencies are easy to detect and to treat, and there’s no sense in spending months or years hoping to find the right anti-depressant before checking for them. Heck, I wish my issues were caused by vitamin deficiencies.
How are vitamin deficiencies detected? Some specific blood test?
Your doctor sends your blood sample to a lab and ticks the ‘B12’ box on the printout form
Yeah, I think it’s something a GP will prescribe.
I know you’re joking but I only figured out I have anemia because iron supplements suddenly gave me energy to live
That literally happened to me. Turns out that my doctor’s resident who just finished a psych rotation learned that most people are deficient in magnesium.
It’s not always someone saying - it’s definitely these and anyone who is depressed just isn’t taking these, it’s literally just a kind and actually possible and helpful suggestion
I wish this were true for me but Magnesium just made me slightly less depressed; indistinguishable from placebo.
Tired? Mag it! Down? Mag time! Liver damage? MAXIMUM MAG!
Damaged because of too much mag? Uh. Mag…?
turns out The Vitamin is real sometimes
There’s something seductive about the idea that all our problems are caused by this one thing, and if we could figure out what it is and fix it, we’d be unstoppable at life. It’s the same idea behind “doctors hate this one weird trick”.
On occasion, it even turns out to be correct.
This, but my one thing is capitalism.
Or all those testosterone clinic commercials I keep hearing on the radio.
Meirl
fibre is honestly really close to this, start eating more fibre and suddenly your stomach is your friend and you shit gracefully.
NGL, I’ve spent a decade wondering why I couldn’t sleep at night and couldn’t concentrate all day, only to finally realize I was constantly low on electrolytes because of my intense exercise routine.
And if anyone is wondering, sports drinks are worthless sugary drinks shrouded in “sporty” marketing. Vitamin D, Calcium and Magnesium is what helped me (and are far more cost efficient than sports drinks). Consult a doctor.
There are low sugar sports drinks. Most of the electrolytes they’re advertising is just salt. Your body needs salt to function. You lose salt when you sweat.
My doctor told me I come literally just put some table salt in water and it would do just as well as any sports drink, sugar or no.
I work in a physical environment and they hand out electrolyte packets and Gatorade like candy when it gets hot.
I love the electrolit cucumber lime. Not so much sugar. Water is still my main drink though.
Potassium is also an important electrolyte for heart health, so have a banana with your salt water, if you can. source: https://www.cdc.gov/salt/sodium-potassium-health/index.html
Coconut water has a lot more potassium than a banana
For me, it’s pickle juice.
I make my own with a 1:1 mix of potassium chloride and sodium chloride. Throw in a dash of lime (I use a powder so i can premix.) I just add dash to my water when I need electrolytes.
They sometimes tell them together in 1 pill.
Drip drops help me, body amours aren’t enough. I want to try LMNT. Or some other brands.
Everyday I would wake up with severely sore arms, like they were clenched somehow.
Blood test said Vitamin D deficiency, but the supplements didn’t do anything noticeable. But I was on the border of anemia so they told me to try iron supplements too.
Gone overnight. I’m so used to problems being an exhausting road to recovery that this one took me by surprise.
Huh. My recurring biceps pains are the bane of my existence. And I was also refused for a blood donation due to insufficient hemoglobin. I need to try iron supplements.
Hate to be that guy but y’all need iron pans. Proper sears at temperatures that would disintegrate Teflon, better and self-healing anti-stick coating than anything else (if used properly), you can use a metal spatula, no more anaemia, what’s not to like?
I prefer use of steel pans for eggs, meat, pancake, potato,… I recommend use of thin one (weight less) with flat bottom (easy to maintain coating). Evertime you finish your cooking pass it under a stream of cold water and later you could use a steel wool to remove residue and then your traditional sponge and soap. Let it dry without using kitchen towels. Don’t worry about rust you could remove it with a paper before use.
For vegetable use a cast-iron pans, choose one with enamel so you don’t need a special care.
For boiling water the best is steel with enamel but hard to find in good quality, I use stainless steel with tri-layer and a layer of steel in between.
No thanks. I don’t really need to sear anything I’m the flames of hell, care is a huge pain, you can’t ever fully clean it, it stains dish towels, and it weighs a ton and a half.
Stainless steel all day for me.
My iron pan might very well be lighter than your stainless, it’s actually quite flimsy. I guess technically they should be called steel pans because it is steel, as in iron alloyed with carbon but not so much as to make it cast iron, it just isn’t stainless.
That said yes stainless is also a proper thing they are very capable when it comes to searing in the flames of hell, but generally more for when you want things to stick and then deglaze. I’d go nuts making eggs in one.
This “you can’t even clean it” – it gets heat-sterilised every use. Patina isn’t dirt same as any other protective/functional coating isn’t.
Also stainless might have similar iron advantages as non-stainless pans. I repeat: You’re not my enemy. People can also keep their enamel pans (old or the new-fangled non-stick ones), very useful if you want to e.g. boil tomato sauce for a while. It’s Teflon I actually have an issue with.
Oh I’m not worried about microbes. I’m worried about a gross greasy film that I’m not allowed to remove. If it gets on your clothes it can be a real pain, and sometimes you need gasoline to clean it off your hands.
As for eggs… I go crazy trying to make eggs in any pan at all without lots of oil lol. I’ve never used a pan, no matter what it’s made out of, where eggs wouldn’t stick. At least, when it inevitably sticks, i can go ham scraping a stainless steel pan.
And yeah we’re together in wanting teflon pans dead.
You are absolutely allowed to remove it, you just have to replace it. The correct thickness is “try to wipe it all off with kitchen tissue”, it really shouldn’t be a grease hazard to clothes.
Also washing up liquid should do the trick.
Eggs pretty much work like meat when it comes to stickiness, just with an even tighter window when it comes to right temperature and it’s even more important to let the thing be for a while before attempting to move it.
Also, yes, scraping. I use a burger flipper spatula which practically has a knife edge at the front. Ideally though things should be moving when you shake the pan, that is, loosen on their own.
You’re motivating me to start looking into pans again. The only one I have is a warped The Rock ceramic non-stick pan (that absolutely does stick) and it has basically the disadvantages of Teflon (although I don’t think it’s actually Teflon) without the advantages.
I’ve wanted a quality, rivet-free, stainless steel pan for a long time. Maybe it’s time, instead of waiting for my crap pan to finally die.
As for the “you can’t clean it” it’s BS in and of itself. I use a chainmail scrubber to remove the big stuff, then soap and one of those green scrubbers to get it good and clean. The trick is, no matter how you clean it, you need to dry it COMPLETELY (I use paper towel) then oil it immediately. Doesn’t take much oil either, maybe a drop about the size of a nickel for a 12" skillet. My wife has alpha-gal syndrome, so all cookware needs to be thoroughly cleaned with soap and water, no exceptions.
Once you get a good seasoning set in, it’s almost indestructible, unless you seriously mistreat it… and even then it’s fixed pretty easily with an SOS pad, oil, and an hour or two in a hot oven.
My cast iron is more non-stick than any so-called ‘non-stick’ pan I’ve had, and I have one of those The Rock pans. I think the only caveat is you have to get a decent one. Anything made in China is no good (nothing necessarily about the casting or finish of the pans themselves, they just have very low quality iron); I personally buy Lodge, but there are a few other good brands to look in to.
Two main problems I have with cast iron - the care that they take is too much effort, and their constant risk of rusting if they’re not coated in oil at all times is just too much bullshit to deal with for a kitchen tool. The other issue is that I try as best as I can to do oil-free cooking, and cast iron is antithetical to that.
A baking sheet with parchment paper, in a toaster oven, is significantly more convenient.
Two main problems I have with cast iron - the care that they take is too much effort, and their constant risk of rusting if they’re not coated in oil at all times is just too much bullshit to deal with for a kitchen tool.
I don’t use cast iron either they’re heavy and I generally don’t need the heat capacity. Think De Buyer Mineral B, in that direction.
Care+feeding in the usual case consists of as little as wiping them down with some kitchen tissue, or holding them under water and rummaging around a bit with a bristle brush (don’t use a plastic one they can’t take the heat), then re-applying oil which is literally a second of work. In nasty cases, steel wool instead of brush.
Explaining all that took longer than actually doing it. Residual heat does most of the work: Evaporating left-over water. It might also already polymerise the new oil a bit, but generally that’s done when you heat the pan up rule of thumb if it’s not smoking off then you aren’t frying at temperature.
Also it’s not like the pan would break instantly if you leave it out without a coat of oil. Some fly rust, is all, nothing serious. Scrub it off with steel wool or leave it on it actually doesn’t matter iron oxide won’t kill you.
The other issue is that I try as best as I can to do oil-free cooking, and cast iron is antithetical to that.
Vilifying fat is a ploy of the sugar and tobacco industry. Literally, it’s all well-documented: The sugar industry to sell more sugar, the tobacco industry to blame the epidemic of heart disease on anything but smoking.
Also we’re talking about drops, you do not need more than a thin film on the thing. Thin as in “try to get it all off with kitchen tissue”. If you burn it off when heating though you need to add some more before adding ingredients, what the Chinese call “hot wok, cold oil”, it’s a simple and reliable way to get excellent anti-stick. You don’t need Chinese amounts of oil for that, maybe a tablespoon (actual one not those strange US measurements).
Sorry, but this is dangerous misinformation that you’re spreading. Refined carbohydrates are harmful and can contribute to the various forms of metabolic syndrome. However one thing being bad doesn’t automatically make something good, and there is still no single factor in heart disease that’s more causally linked than saturated fats. To demonize sugar and say fats don’t play the most significant role is about equivalent with being a climate change denier.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqWdY5_2-8
They’re somewhat more on the frontier of nutritional science, but no other interventions out there have had as promising of results as Esselstyn’s and Ornish’s lifestyle medicine practices - both of which call for reductions or even eliminations of cooking oil that is considered radical by most people’s standards. But their results speak for themselves.
and there is still no single factor in heart disease that’s more causally linked than saturated fats.
High blood pressure, smoking, diabetes/overweight/inactive, are the main risk factors. High cholesterol has been debunked not to mention that dietary cholesterol has no correlation with blood cholesterol.
Saturated fats are fine, our nutritional woes didn’t start when we started eating butter that was millennia ago. Various trans-fats are right-out evil and hydrogenated fats should be avoided the data still isn’t particularly clear on those.
Like, you’re attacking pretty much any nut fat when you’re attacking saturated fats. No, coconuts are not responsible for modern levels of heart disease Samoans didn’t have the absurdly high levels they currently have when they still were, in fact, eating much more coconuts and much less simple carbs. Similar with Inuit, but with saturated fats from meat instead.
but no other interventions out there have had as promising of results as Esselstyn’s and Ornish’s lifestyle medicine practice
You sound like a brochure. If you want to convince me of that kind of claim link an independent metastudy. You’re on /c/science_memes, remember.
I am love deficient. Not that I am demanding that people should love me for no reason. Just that I wish I feel loved a tiny bit. I know that the fault is most probably with me too.
Edit: I feel like I am stuck in a loop, I feel self-pity because I don’t feel loved. I am probably not loved because I feel self-pity. Breaking the cycle is hard.
Our communities are setup like that. We’re separated from eachother, and we can’t afford to spend enough time at local third places to feel community. Church also used to be central to community and most people aren’t religious, but nothing has replaced the churches role in community building.
It’s rough. If you can get out to places nearby where people congregate that will be nice. Getting a dog is nice too if you like dogs, they give you love and accept your love and they’re a good ice breaker. They also force you out regularly. You can take the dog to dog parks and chat with locals.
It’s not your fault. Humans are a social animal and we built cities and an economy that didn’t consider that.
Hugs from an internet stranger!
It is important that you love yourself. In fact, I think it’s important that you feel loved by someone, even if that somebody is yourself.
A pet can be a good bridge out of that cycle. Otherwise it takes a bit of a leap of faith (still doable but difficult).
The fact that you’ve identified the cycle is very good, though. A lot of people never realize that self-pity is contributing to their loneliness.
FWIW I already take these vitamins daily, along with magnesium, zinc, copper, folate, manganese, boron, St. John’s Wort, Ashwagandha, Tumeric, SAM-e, Saffron, Kratom, Ginko Baloba, L-theanine, along with a nightly dose of Valerian Root, L-Tryptophan, lemon balm extract, 5-HTP, and 500+ mg of a high THC extract, and I’m still tired and miserable all the time.
Even walking 20k+ steps a day at my job isn’t enough. I’ve never been healthier and more depressed. Tried therapy for a decade but gave up when I couldn’t find a single therapist I can relate with. Not even pharmaceuticals helped me. I’ve accepted the fact that I am just going to be perpetually tired and miserable for the rest of my life and there’s nothing anyone can do to help.
(FWIW I don’t take kratom daily. Only at work. And the dosage of THC can range from as low as 100mg all the way up to a full gram of pure THC distillate. Yes these are accurate numbers. I live in a legal state and can get distillate for $5/g. I have a high tolerance and don’t get high anymore; just sleepy. If I don’t have any THC in my system, I can’t sleep at all no matter how tired I am. The insomnia was hell until I discovered weed in my 20s).
My sibling in science, I have consumed enough weed in my life to earn me an approving nod from Snoop himself, but on the off chance you’re not shitposting:
500mg is entirely too much for a nighttime dose. You are not getting any proper REM sleep at all if you’re actually doing this to yourself every night. Take a fuckin T-break man.
Maybe cut out the THC? It’s a depressant.
I think this person is on the opposite end and is overwhelming him/herself with too much supplements…
It’s a very common sign of addiction to try every supplement under the sun instead of just addressing the cessation of substance abuse because that’s a much more challenging hill to climb.
You don’t think they started out tired all the time with no supplements and then slowly added them to try it out?
This is correct. I only got this far into the drugs and suppliments because existence was nothing but pain before I discovered everything I currently take over the course of several decades. At least now I’m at a level where I can hold down a job. Before I started taking all this shit, I was a NEET well into my 30s. But now I have a wife and a mortgage and a job. Still miserable but it’s progress.
Honestly I think it’s most likely that you’re simply overworked. (many/most people are)
I think that being overworked, together with emotional instability/lack of security, are the most prevalent causes of mental illnesses in our society today. It’s no “chemical imbalance in your brain” story. Sure, there’s chemical imbalance, but where does that imbalance come from? I guess it’s mostly that our bodies aren’t built for today’s demands.
500+ mg THC? That’s a lot.
And he doesn’t understand why he’s always tired
Makes me wonder if it was a typo, but even 50+ mg is quite a bit.
Only at night and I have a high tolerance
I think ashwaganda is not supposed to be taken daily long term
It can be but you should Tay away from stuff that isn’t just ground root powder as the “supplements” people sell that contain it can lead to liver damage over time, however the only cases of liver damage with ashwaghanda afaik are from extracts and gummies and shit.
Thanks for this. I don’t feel like it doesn’t do much for me anyway compared to the other shit I take so I will probably eliminate it from my suppliment routine.
Kratom is not a health supplement.
Nor is pot. This guy is abusing drugs and asking why he’s depressed.
I don’t even believe they took 0.5g of THC, that’s an insane amount. Unless they mean over a long period of time. The standard dose you can buy is 10mg.
It’s not insane for heavy users - they sell 1g brownies in dispensaries, these days. That being said, it’s neither cheap nor is there any debate of it being a medicine at that level. Dude’s just getting blasted every day and wondering why he’s tired
Is that actually 1g of pure THC, or is that like the weight of the extract or something? I can’t imagine the tolerance you would need, any normal person would be passed out for an entire day taking that.
Oh it’s completely doable to take 1000mg+ as I have literally when I was depressed cause I used to make brownie batches with 14g~ of dabs for 9 brownies which is about 1240mg per brownie after accounting for it being 80% thc
One time my mom took one of my edibles when I wasn’t around and was literally high for 2 days straight… she takes a 2.5mg normally whereas mine were 100mgs
I buy 2g carts from the dispensary for $10/pop and break them open to extract the distillate. Then I scoop up a quarter of what I extracted and eat it. So $20 will last me over a week and it knocks me the hell out.
I know but it’s the only way I can feel joy. Before I discovered kratom I never knew what it felt like to smile.
FWIW I only take it on the days really need it (so basically only at work).
Have you tried having a sleep study done? Sometimes your body can go through the sleep cycles weird, or they get interupted resulting in being really tired all the time. A sleep specialist can see what’s going on and help you fix it.
Who’s going to pay for it? I don’t have the thousands to fork over for a sleep study.
That’s why I added if you have the means, I absolutely understand if you don’t. I just had a tooth extracted that was overdue by a few years. Just didn’t have the money to get it filled before it cracked in half and I was in excruciating pain for months. I get it.
Maybe try a community health center if you have one near you? They usually do a sliding scale and can make referrals to doctors who work with uninsured or under-insured people. That’s how I got my tooth taken care of without being thousands in debt after. Just google “community health centers near 'name of town & state.” That is if you feel like pursuing it. Totally get it if you don’t, but the above info can help with other health related issues too.
Either way, I hope even a little of that info is helpful to you. I fucking hate healthcare that’s useless AND expensive. Wishing you the best.
I’m all for people trying, so agree with this.
But my experience: I haven’t had a good night’s sleep in 10 years (wake up and am half-asleep, half-awake most of the night). I went to a sleep study, did the sleep-in-hospital-with-electrodes-everywhere thing, met with three doctors in series after, and their conclusion was that I should sleep more. I wish I was joking.
Ugh. Sometimes I think drs just say “it’s all in your head” as an easy way to handwave people out the door. They get paid regardless if they solve your problem or not. I’m sorry that happened to you. If you aren’t sleeping well that’s an issue. Any sleep specialist worth their salt knows this.
It took me about 10 years to get my diagnosis so I feel this. If you have the means maybe seek out a different sleep specialist and do a second test under that one. It’s frustrating that to need to do that, but unfortunately that’s what it comes to when you run into asshole doctors who don’t care, don’t bother listen, or just assume your a moron and your suffering is your own doing.
Best luck to you! I hope you get it figured out and find some relief soon
Try hiking a couple of days, better a week. I’m serious: Actually being outside for the whole day re-calibrates the circadian rhythm, and actually being active before going to bed makes sleeping way easier. Just don’t make the mistake of setting yourself kilometre goals.
Did you take their advice? I’m regrettably a person who needs more like 9 to 10 hours of sleep, which is great because I love sleeping, but terrible because I love doing stuff.
Sure, when I can, but the issue is I’m in bed for 8 hours and getting 4-5 hours of sleep…
I was like this. Saw a new rheumatologist who took my various symptoms seriously. Turns out I’m chronically deficient in vitamin D. Had to take weekly megadosea for 3 months and now I’m on a daily supplement of a lower dose. I also started hydroxychloroquine for whatever autoimmune disease I have (I’ll hopefully be getting a formal diagnosis on the 16th)
I feel so much better than I did. I actually have a life now and can go out and do things I enjoy.
Absolute life-changing treatment. I’ve been trying to get rheumatologists to take me seriously for 20 years.
Did your regular bloodwork from your PC doc show a vitamin D deficiency?
Yep. Apparently my records for years showed it and nobody ever said anything to me. I’m looking into replacing a lot of my doctors because of it. I also keep a better eye on results on my own now.
In Turkiye, you can check your blood test results at home with E-nabız, which also shows any irregularities in your blood (as in marks values that are not in the regular range with red). Could there be something similar in your country?
Unreal.
I don’t know what you mean by PC so I’m just assuming the doctor is sitting in the doctor room just playing doom 1993
PC stands for Primary Care physician.
My wife and I turned up low in vitamin D too. We’re on the megadoses. She is, I’m doing good since it’s still summer. I’m going back to megadoses as soon as the sun stops showing up. Anyway I was just going to ask if your sleeping improved. My wife can’t sleep. I sleep like a baby, but I have a strong suspicion that I got some immunological problem going on because I have a permanent elbow pain and a reoccurring rib cage pain. Getting old…
I’m a big fan of magnesium citrate or chelated magnesium for more restful sleep, might be worth a shot. Not a doctor though.
“Magnesium Glycinate” is the one I choose for daily use. Magnesium Citrate is great at getting those Mg levels up initially; but for daily maintenance, I prefer the glycinate version. They kinda have their own use-cases imo
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“I am tired when I get up,” this is also a sign of a sleep disorder like narcolepsy or sleep apnea.
It can be a sign of thyroid issues.
Copper, selenium, zinc, and other deficiencies can cause fatigue as well
I just have a lot of sleep inertia. Sleepy when I get up, not sleepy at bed time.
I did also have a vitamin D deficiency without knowing it though.
Sure, sleep inertia can be caused by lots of things. It is a sign of narcolepsy, sleep apnea, or other sleep issues in many people or can be vitamin based.
I could also be a sign of your toddler waking you up 4 times
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I’m sorry you’re feeling so drained.
I’ve heard sometimes iron, B12, or vitamin D deficiencies can sometimes contribute to persistent fatigue, but whatever the cause, I hope you’re able to get the support you need to start feeling better soon.
imo seems inappropriately formal
I need a good daily vitamin. I just need to bite the bullet and order some. I swear some things wrong with me truly are because I eat 99 cent ramens for dinner because I just don’t want to spend money on food that’s good for me lol.
Damn. Big spender buying the elite ramen.
Oh you know it. Sometimes, I even put BROCCOLI in the ramen too. Crazy behavior, I know.
If people could only share useful information that helps people like this, the world would be a better place. Search out the deficiencies, tell others how to satiate them once you find the way!!! Vitamin D, Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, and Kelp(for iodine, but kelp allows for enormous idodine intake). Those vitamins all work together and help you to feel great!
75% of people are not getting enough magnesium.
https://dining.nd.edu/whats-happening/news/magnesiumthe-invisible-deficiency/
Did she… Reply guy anais nin?
Have you tried yoga?
She should try shutting the cats out of the bedroom sometimes.
One of the things that’s too often overlooked is that subtractions might do more to help than additions. If you’re taking a host of vitamins, herbal remedies, and strange supplements and still feeling like shit, it’s likely because all the medicine in the world won’t heal if you’re still taking poison.
Not to be that person, but I am fully convinced that eating animal products plays a decisive role in depression and other mood disorders. Not only is there science pointing in that direction, but it matches my own personal experience as well as what every other plant-based person I’ve known has experienced as well. Before the switch I was so far in a constant background noise of depression that I was ambivalent about whether I wanted to live or not.
I’ve tried a lot of things, with only ever small or temporary results at best. Going plant-based, within weeks of staying consistent with it, marked the first time in my life when I actually began to actively want to live (even in spite of our capitalist hellscape). That desire to live has endured since then to the point that it’s tempting to say I might be cured of depression.
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/anti-inflammatory-diet-for-depression/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-to-boost-brain-bdnf-levels-for-depression-treatment/
Not to be that person,
Proceeds to be that person
When something needs to be said, it needs to be said.
You may believe depression is caused by not being vegan, but I believe depression is caused by the presence of vegans.
look up vystopia
Perhaps you had an imbalance of vitamin a. Plant based vitamin a (beta carotene) is safe and can’t really be overdosed. Plant based diets tend to have more vitamin e in them as well, and vitamin e sort of counteracts vitamin a.
The sheer amount of changes that occur on a plant-based diet are too numerous for me to be able to pinpoint any specific thing. It wouldn’t surprise me if I do get more vitamin a these days, as well as quite a few other important micronutrients that I may or may not have been low on.
And that’s not even getting into the vast topic of phytonutrients.
