Sounds like more should have been done to prevent trump even getting on the ballot while his opposition was still in power. Oh wait, but then they couldn’t run on “trump bad” and would actually have to champion something for the people to get their votes. Oh well!

I’m sorry, do you have a magical alternate reality viewer that shows Kamala not doing the same exact thing except whinging along the way about “working tirelessly” to avoid the thing that is currently happening with zero repercussions for the aggressor state… ? Come on, don’t forget the president that kept warning about non-existent red lines as Palestinians were being (and still are!) slaughtered by the thousands, and literally bypassed congress to send munitions to Israel despite this. Y’know, the thing that will now be super bad when Trump does it?

At least we & our government officials don’t have to pretend this is fucking normal just because the president is super duper apologetic about it and pinky promises that they care about all the lives involved but conspicuously only mentioning the ones belonging to the aggressor nation!!!1!

The OOP reads like all social interactions are equally bad, so I’m not really sure why you’re disagreeing with me for disagreeing with the original post. I did not say anything to the contrary of what you are saying.

Did we read the same post? The one I read said it was good to not interact with another human being for days on end.

Thanks for letting me know your anecdotal experience though. Mine does not at all look like that but it sure sounds nice. congratulations I guess?

Yeah, I have, and I think being fearful and avoidant of each other is more destructive than it is helpful. Have you looked at the up and coming generations, taken seriously the loneliness they are expressing, and acknowledged how that might affect their views on the world and how they treat others?

I agree that WFH is far more efficient and a better situation for most office-based workers, but I wouldn’t call going “multiple days without speaking to another human being” an upside. My issue with office work is I have to get up early and get myself ready and fight through traffic, not that I have to interact with other people even if I don’t like some of them.

I think that’s a regressive point of view. I’m skeptical of anyone with a platform that pushes it, and somewhat repulsed by the normal people that repeat it. Naturally, I think. You don’t like people? Well, I’m a people… You’re a people too. All of us are people. Good people, whatever your idea of a bad person is, we all are people and we people are social creatures.

In a healthy society we should want to be around other people and, in fact, as a group we become more accepting of individual differences by encountering and interacting with numerous and diverse groups of people and accepting them into our norm, seeing first-hand that we are all just normal people going through life and striving for what we believe is good. We people add so much more than we threaten, we are capable of great and profound things when we work together to achieve them.

It’s not normal to turn your nose up at that and I hate that it is being normalized.

Have you considered that that might be difficult with antisocial attitudes like the one expressed by OOP becoming the norm?

Well they’re also an anticholinergic, which means they block the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is the chief chemical messenger controlling functions of the parasympathetic nervous system. It’s really important in brain and muscle function.

What are the effects of anticholinergics? Effects can include dry mouth and sore throat, resulting from the impaired secretion by exocrine glands. Another side effect is tachycardia, or a higher than usual heart rate, that occurs when anticholinergics interfere with receptors that typically slow the heart rate. Anticholinergics can also cause urinary retention (i.e., the inability to empty the bladder) and obstipation (i.e., the inability to pass stools or gas) due to decreased smooth muscle motility and tone. Additional anticholinergic effects include blurred vision and light sensitivity. Rarely, anticholinergics can cross the blood brain barrier and enter the central nervous systems, causing mood changes, hallucinations, confusion, or disorientation.

What is anticholinergic toxicity? Anticholinergic toxicity occurs when anticholinergic agents accumulate in the body and may lead to anticholinergic syndrome, which can cause dry mouth, flushed skin, hyperthermia, and tachycardia. It may also lead to anticholinergic delirium, which is characterized by confusion, hallucinations, and psychomotor symptoms. With lower doses, acute anticholinergic syndrome can resolve on its own after the anticholinergic medication has been stopped and fully excreted. On the other hand, higher doses can be life-threatening, so individuals should be medically reviewed and acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, such as donepezil and rivastigmine, can be prescribed as an antidote.

Fyi. Anticholinergics are a class of drugs which have been linked to dementia when used regularly by those 65 and older. Imbalances in acetylcholine are linked with chronic conditions, such as Alzheimer’s disease and Parkinson’s disease.

What Benadryl are you talking about, I’ve never heard of it being anything but diphenhydramine? People definitely abuse this form, it’s a deliriant in high doses and can cause hallucinations. I can’t recall its name but I distinctly remember there being a community about it on the other site.

Edit: perhaps you’re thinking of Sudafed PE, in which the main ingredient, pseudoephedrine, was switched for phenylephrine? The latter drug was recently found to be ineffective like you’re talking about. Though, the reason they made pseudoephedrine prescription only in the first place was because people were using it to make meth, not because it was a fun drug to abuse.

No, it could be possible to both have cheap goods and compensate workers fairly. It would just require the owners to take less profit. Can’t have that.

I think it just takes quite a few moral failings to even achieve that level of wealth in the first place in the vast majority of cases.

Here specifically, these people are authors and IP holders in a society that places a lot of value in ignorance and in very chauvinist and racist ideas. By hook or by crook, they’ve made something original. They have some merit, and you would expect them of all people to see those societal failings for what they are. To not comment on them, or to uphold them, or to mask them, (arguably all the same thing) is a decision they made in their work. I think we vastly overestimate how easy it is to do that across an entire body of independent work if it doesn’t align with your beliefs.

It makes sense that a person who has the merits and will to do something like that, again, entirely without challenging such obvious failures (as most in their position would), would be chosen to win the broad favor of a society that desperately does not want to be challenged or its failings acknowledged (esp ruling class, the ones with something to lose and wealth to spare to push these things), and would gain a lot of its wealth. Especially in ye old early-internet world when people weren’t discovered as easily. Then, when their platform is secure, the mask slips.

It’s not a conspiracy or an aberration, it’s survivorship bias. These people are a product of our society. We have to reckon with that.

edit: I realized I could expand on what I meant in a few places so I sprinkled a bit more in.

Yeah but straight up I’m not getting out of bed in the morning in those temperatures

Sounds like you’re just as comfortable being a member of this passive society as anyone else you named, even if you took the long way around to the same conclusion.

cool. What are you doing to introduce it to others?

Does the amount really matter if the effect is the same?

If you had all the levers of wealth and power in the world, or if you as an individual had access to just one of them, wouldn’t you do your part to build this kind of passive society too? Otherwise you might have to worry about your access to these levers and therefore your power being usurped. There are many ways to manipulate a person to work against their own interests, which are almost entirely concentrated into the hands of the wealthy owning class.

This is a problem of class antagonism, not the complicity and/or ignorance of the individually powerless. As a class we have to rise beyond these antagonisms; their manipulation of us into a class that passively allows them to profit from our labor and pays no mind to their corruption; by teaching class consciousness to the other members of our class. That is just as much on you and I as it is on anyone else.

I mean. Empty promises for things to be paid for by somebody else are kind of his Thing. Walls, Tariffs. It makes perfect sense.

Don’t forget the heritage foundation wonks and oligarch-adjacent folks that debrief him and write all the orders for him to sign. I see the people directly in his administration having much more influential power than any foreign diplomat.

We already had bribery in politics, the media just doesn’t talk about it like they do with Trump and other particularly egregious ‘fall guys’ like Clarence Thomas.

tbh I think that’s kinda the point, it’s corporate doublespeak.