• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 days ago

    Where’s the evidence that your idea is any better than mine anyways?

    i didn’t present any other idea. i said you don’t have any evidence your idea holds water.

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      8 days ago

      I can’t predict the future if thats what you mean.

      Theres plenty of evidence that reducing meat production where possible will help everyone. Theres plenty of evidence that at least a mostly plant based diet is better for personal health for most people.

      Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.

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        8 days ago

        Theres plenty of evidence that reducing meat production where possible will help everyone.

        this is a different claim than you made before

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        8 days ago

        Less animals suffering is a plus too but you could leave it out and still come to the conclusion that there is something behind plant based and partially plant based diets.

        this is a nonsequitur. my guess is you have tried plant based diet, and the amount of animal slaughter has only increased: chart

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          8 days ago

          We’ve had this argument like twice already.

          I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.

          If you would admit that the line on your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat, then you have to also admit it would go up slower if more people went vegan, vegetarian, or simply ate 25% less meat than they normally do.

          You must be able to see the math there? Do I need to send you university debate level arguments? I can find them for you if you want.

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            8 days ago

            I never claimed that me being a vegan would end animal suffering.

            you did say it would reduce it, but all the evidence is that is not true.

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              8 days ago

              You think, that I think, me personally being vegan will be the tipping point that causes a down trend in your graph?

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                8 days ago

                i’m saying if what you’re claiming is true, then it would follow that the growth of the industry would stop and reverse.

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                  8 days ago

                  There aren’t enough people eating less meat yet? I don’t think a problem of scale makes it futile. You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.

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                    8 days ago

                    You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.

                    i have made no such assumption. teh fact is that it has not, in fact, reduced suffering (if we regard all animal slaughter as suffering, and the most meaningful metric). to continue to claim that it will is just a hypothesis, and continues to be unsupported by the facts.

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            8 days ago

            Do I need to send you university debate level arguments

            i’m not interested in debate. i’m interested in provable claims.

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            8 days ago

            your graph would go up quicker if all vegetarians and vegans went back to eating meat,

            as i can’t prove a counterfactual, i wouldn’t make any such claim. i have no reason to believe that production could increase any faster.

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              8 days ago

              I mean I can’t convince you that demand affects supply if you simply don’t think they are related.

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                8 days ago

                i think supply creates its own demand, but i don’t believe there is any causal mechanism by which choosing to buy something causes more of it to be produced, nor that production causes others to purchase it.

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                  8 days ago

                  How can supply create demand while saying production doesnt cause demand in the same paragraph?

                  Do you have some separate definition for supply and production I’m missing?

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                    8 days ago

                    i’m saying it’s not causal or, at least, it requires more than simply making a thing for it to be bought by someone. fidget spinners are a great example. lots were made with no real understanding of their potential market. some were sold just because it’s a cheap toy but it could easily have been any other similarly priced toy. the production created its own demand there, but not enough to empty every fidget spinner from a warehouse. so some other mechanism must be at play besides production (advertising, for instance). regardless, it certainly can’t be the case that demand actually caused all those fidget spinners to have been produced.

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            8 days ago

            We’ve had this argument like twice already.

            and you still haven’t seemed to grasp the lack of evidence for your claim.