There aren’t enough people eating less meat yet? I don’t think a problem of scale makes it futile. You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.
You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.
i have made no such assumption. teh fact is that it has not, in fact, reduced suffering (if we regard all animal slaughter as suffering, and the most meaningful metric). to continue to claim that it will is just a hypothesis, and continues to be unsupported by the facts.
My problem is that it could be working now but since theres no proof yet you won’t believe it. What if that line starts very slowly flattening out? Is that enough evidence?
What if that line starts very slowly flattening out? Is that enough evidence?
you’d have to show the causal link between vegans existing and the production flattening. what if it’s just that we run out of agricultural land, or a meteor strikes a major production region? we need to know what actually causes the change in the graph, not simply speculate that it could be buying beans.
you did say it would reduce it, but all the evidence is that is not true.
You think, that I think, me personally being vegan will be the tipping point that causes a down trend in your graph?
i’m saying if what you’re claiming is true, then it would follow that the growth of the industry would stop and reverse.
There aren’t enough people eating less meat yet? I don’t think a problem of scale makes it futile. You are just assuming it would never grow big enough to affect the line.
i have made no such assumption. teh fact is that it has not, in fact, reduced suffering (if we regard all animal slaughter as suffering, and the most meaningful metric). to continue to claim that it will is just a hypothesis, and continues to be unsupported by the facts.
My problem is that it could be working now but since theres no proof yet you won’t believe it. What if that line starts very slowly flattening out? Is that enough evidence?
you’d have to show the causal link between vegans existing and the production flattening. what if it’s just that we run out of agricultural land, or a meteor strikes a major production region? we need to know what actually causes the change in the graph, not simply speculate that it could be buying beans.
If we ran out of new land to use wouldnt it plateau?
Isnt the line going up constantly evidence of constant addition of new land to hold more animals?
I suppose they could be getting more efficient but thats the opposite of regulation.
that’s the assumption I’m using.
whatever you call it, we can’t attribute it to vegans.
I’m assuming it is this in combination with new efficiencies (like the swine hotels in China)