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We’re fighting a losing battle. This is a space where we are very clearly not wanted, and we cannot discuss women’s issues without hostility.
Keep it limited to makeup and fashion, I guess, unless you want to be brigaded!
I’m over it. Let the boys have their playground. Lemmy is not a space that is welcoming to women, and, because of that, unless sweeping changes are made, I just don’t see myself ever recommending it to any women as a good place to make a community.
I’m not going to contribute to its growth or content any longer. “PROGRESSIVE” space. Garbage. Absolute fucking hypocrisy. I’m so sick of having to explain myself and be made to feel like I need to justify my existence here.
Good luck, sisters. I’m desperate for community, but this feels more like a battleground than it does a home.
We appreciate the sideline supporters who respect the community rules & expectations and are respectful enough to not interject. You are very much loved and respected, brothers. 🫶
EDIT: This community & its moderators have been nothing but kind & respectful to men who post here, and are constantly shit on & downvoted because of it.
I have resorted to being hostile! And I see very little difference in how this is being received compared to them.
My blood pressure too high rn.
EDIT 2: Mods… I’m sorry for leaving you to find this dumpster fire of a thread! I gotta go to bed and I’m sick of trying to explain things to people who don’t actually care or want to understand.
Women: attempt to foster & curate their own community to talk about women-centric issues and experiences without being drowned out by majority voices
The rest of Lemmy:
I can’t speak to all of Lemmy, it is woldwide, but my limited interaction has found there are positive groups, even ones you don’t expect: There’s the “dull men’s club”, they accept women. (They have thought about altering the name) Its a place to share boring stuff and everyone upvotes and tells you they are proud of you for the daily task or acheivement you posted.
It’s frustrating. It feels like even progressive men here (not all, but many) aren’t willing to listen, while making it all about them. And because of the vast male majority, it feels like most threads on womens’ issues consist of off-topic defensive comments. I don’t recommend Lemmy to women either.
That being said, you’re all worth it. Reddit as a whole isn’t what it once was. And womens’ Reddit communities tend to have lots of people, which can sometimes lead to negative spiraling when bad things happen. I get it, but it would make my mental health worse.
On Lemmy, it’s a small, friendly space much like the old internet. I recognize a lot of the same folks on these communities. We uplift each other.
Lots of people here can very hostile about us being here, but we’re making this place a little friendlier and more inclusive, and I’m glad we’re all here. We’ve got each other’s backs.
It feels like even progressive men here (not all, but many) aren’t willing to listen, while making it all about them.
I mentioned this in past messages that got deleted (not by the mods here).
But basically this is what women’s groups in uni were like for me when they tried inviting “allies” from among male students. These well-intentioned (I have to stress this, they were not being jerks deliberately!) men would come to meetings and by the end it was only the men talking.
It’s just in the nature.
This is why we went back to “women-only” groups with occasional “open house”-style gatherings which were just social events.
Hey Shark, you have absolutely nothing to apologise for. Not a thing. Your post was basically:
You: I don’t feel safe on lemmy because there’s so much hostility towards women Manosphere: Y R U NOT INCLUDING US?? STFU U MISANDRIST! STOP EXISTING WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!! MEN R BEING OPPRESSEEEDDDDD!!!11!!
They really refuse see the connection between their behaviour and our actions. I really understand your points Shark. There’s aggressive comments to and about women all over lemmy, I’ve had Manosphere types attack me outside of here cos I created this group. It’s horrible and I’m sorry you’re experiencing this. Know you’ve got your own army here backing you up💜
You may have better luck having it hosted on Beehaw.org. They’re dead serious about keeping it a friendly community. They’ll ban the shit out of trolls lickety split.
Sadly Beehaw doesn’t allow its users to make communities.
Oh dang, I didn’t know that. :(
Yeah, closest we have found that does allow community creation is the one we are on: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/
I see that you’re also on blahaj but I just wanted to second your recommendation. I’ve been using this instance since my first day on lemmy and I’ve had a great experience with the instance and its admins so far. Everybody loves Ada and for a good reason.
I’m not LGBTQ+ myself but it was important for me to chose an inclusive instance and I’m glad I made that choice
They don’t ?
I just did a search on Beehaw local for the keyword “China”.
Somehow I don’t see it being any more welcoming than any other site I’ve seen in the … well, Fediverse actually. The western left is not a whole lot better on that topic than the western right.
Might I suggest https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/ ? We have very active mods and admins and we have a pretty good track record of removing misogyny and other forms of bigotry.
Thanks for suggesting it! We’re in the process of moving to !womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone atm and Ada has been amazing. I feel good that we’re not gonna get attacked as much
I’m glad! I’m Linda over there btw!
Great see you in the safe zone!
I support moving to Blahaj as well ✅
Pros:
- only upvotes (no more harassment through downvotes)
- Ada has already banned lots of bad actors from the instance, so moderation will be easier
- Blahaj’s community and instance is already women friendly
Cons:
- there is probably some work to move another instance (I’m not sure what that would take - or if we would just shutter the lazysoci.al community and start a new one on Blahaj?)
- Ada’s rules can be pretty strict, which means we might lose some control over moderation decisions and discretion; you could view this as a pro or con, part of the reason Blahaj is so welcoming and such a good option is because of Ada’s strictness - I only bring it up because of the 196 drama that happened recently where the mods of that community felt they didn’t align fully with Ada’s approach - so that’s just something to get clear on, what are the expectations, and are we comfortable with those expectations
- Blahaj defederates from some instances and likewise some instances have defederated from Blahaj, so that might impact our users a little bit (again, this could be a pro depending on how you feel about the instances that are defederated from one another; I suspect Hexbear users who like this community would be upset if we moved to Blahaj, because Hexbear defederated from Blahaj).
Can you link me the admin there? I might get an account there
Sign up is open! We have an application process that I help with: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/signup
Here’s Ada, I dunno how to link her properly: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/ada
We also have a matrix and a piefed as well.
Great will DM you
I have also heard good things about https://beehaw.org/ in that regard (both are excellent instances, I’m not suggesting one over the other)
I hope you and the community here is able to find a place that meets your needs! I enjoy reading and learning from the posts in this community
Good tip thanks! Your name is adorable btw
Thanks :)
Keep it limited to makeup and fashion, I guess, unless you want to be brigaded!
We should make all post titles pertain to makeup and fashion so the men won’t even bother clicking. (Not a serious suggestion but it probably would work!)
Seriously though: I feel you on this. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for some men to just leave women in peace, and it’s exhausting. Our mods do a great job but the flood of rude, unwanted men seems never-ending.
I don’t get it. I’d never go into a men-only space and have the hubris to think they need to hear my opinion. It’s men-only for a reason! Maybe they have women brigading their communities, but I sincerely doubt it’s comparable to what we see.
(To any men lurking who are respecting the community’s rules, thank you. We appreciate your courtesy!)
Omg we should totally do that.
Title: 16 different types of blusher that’ll blow your mind! Post: now that the men are gone, can you advise me on my patriarchy problem?
Exactly! We’d have so much peace, lol
Thank you for bringing more spotlight on this issue.
It’s not good, but that’s why I generally keep it super simple. Makeup, fashion, hobbies, if I’m going to participate lol. Nothing remotely political. In fact - much like online video games, I have other accounts where I don’t reveal my gender or I’ll even talk like a dude on purpose. I already know we’re vastly outnumbered here, so I don’t care to invite mean comments from men. Big kudos to any fighting sisters out there, but I don’t want that stress in my life.
Maybe I should start treating this place more like my Tumblr and just post pretty pictures I like without giving a fuck lol
I get it, but I’m not going to only talk about “safe” topics just because it makes men uncomfortable.
Women are not a political commodity.
I don’t feel sorry for men who get hurt feelings over women putting down / requesting boundaries.
Not a solve-everything solution, but I enjoy blocking every user who is even slightly a shit. My experience of slowly curating out the dumbasses has certainly made my experience a better one!
They keep endlessly respawning. I’m tired, boss. I’m so tired.
Men sure like to sealion.
I do this too. My block list is long.
I wish there was a place we could list who we blocked and why. Might sound pitchforky but I’m just over it. I just want to live and let live.
having a public block list would be great, tbh - ublock origin does something similar with maintained filter lists, for example
I’d be down for that. Having pretty between all the goons would be a relief.
Pls don’t white Knight guys, it doesn’t help here
This is better than R*ddit for sure, but I feel your pain. Maybe we fire up our own instance and defederate? The same thought has come up in some blahaj chats. It’s absolutely rough, but part of the beauty of the fediverse is controlling whose content you see, but also who can see your content. That, to me, makes the fediverse perfect for communities looking to make safe, exclusive, spaces. I’d even personally consider going so far as to return to old models like ECHO (East Coast Hang Out) where you request and receive your account by snail mail. Idk, adding a vetting process to joining is important for the safety of any oppressed group. In this case adding barriers to entry is not gatekeeping, it’s acting as the bouncer to a space that is in fact reserved for specific people.
I have a technical question: is it not possible to set up a community that is “member-only posting” in Lemmy? (Genuine question, I have no idea. I don’t run an instance or a community.)
The closest Lemmy can do is making your posts visible only to users from your instance. But there isn’t one single women-friendly instance so IMHO it isn’t a great solution.
@lemmy.blahaj.zone is sort of a general queer instance, but has a big population of trans femme folks already. Plus pretty much everyone on the instance “gets it”. Come check it out! We’ve got safe spaces and good memes. I would say blahaj.zone is a very women friendly instance. Not to say it will magically fix the Lemmy experience, but at the very least we have an admin that pulls zero punches when it comes to banning the jerks.
I am on Blahaj Zone tho ;)
What I mean is that, when you make your post local-only on e.g. blahaj, you also prevent good people at Beehaw and other safe instances from participating. I DO support moving to Blahaj though, I think it will improve the situation a little. But the struggle will continue nonetheless.
Oh I didn’t even open your profile! Love seeing someone who jumped on the PieFed instance!! I anticipate Blahaj and a few other instances eventually putting their federation with the melting pots to a community vote, or something like that.
I’m pretty sure that lazysoci.al is women-friendly, though.
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The Internet in general isn’t a good place for anyone, especially women
I get what you’re going for but this kind of discourse is part of the problem.
Any time someone says “I’m having a problem because x!” Someone shows up to say, “OTHER people have that problem!” This is not helpful. Adding especially women at the end didn’t negate the whataboutism you started with. No disrespect just… exhausting.
Some places are better than others. Lemmy is worse.
I was wondering what places are better - Tumblr maybe? Reddit and Lemmy seem both similarly male dominated, and I agree with JohnnyFlapHoleSeed that internet communities in general are male dominated and not friendly to women …
Lemmy is a program.
Your instance admin is responsible for federation settings and moderation.
Talk to them or make an invite only instance/community otherwise this will always happen.
Really? This has not been my experience at all. I feel fine here. Maybe I’m ignorant, but I haven’t seen hostility at all on my end.
I would just delete my Lemmy account entirely if I weren’t disabled and barely able to leave the house. There basically aren’t any non misogynistic places for me to hang out.
As tough a job as it’s gotta be to moderate this community, I’m glad this space exists so I have somewhere I feel at least semi safe to be.
Also, blocking every popular instance except blahaj drastically cuts down on the misogyny you encounter, especially if you use an app like connect which let’s you block every user of an instance as well as the content of it (as opposed to lemmy’s built in blocking which only blocks the content and not the users.)I think the only way to have a non-misogynistic place is to go to an old-school forum without “federation”. That way you don’t have the drive-by randos popping in to spout bullshit about how it’s “misandry” to say “please guys, this is just our space, you can go literally anywhere else”.
In my experience, unfortnuately, it doesn’t matter where you go or how much effort they’ll have to put in, some dude is always going to take personal offense to any space he’s not allowed in and kick up shit there about it.
Can’t kick up shit in an old school forum without an account, though. I mean count the guys commenting just in this message. They saw a message that specifically said “no guys commenting” and … commented. This is because the whole way Lemmy works means everybody can see posts, even if they’re not members. They can go to the local or all feed.
In a non-federated forum of the aulde skoole variety they’d have to go hunting for a forum for women, then make an account and pass muster, and only then can they start kicking up a fuss like a toddler. Some will, but I suspect way fewer than the drive-by randos here in Lemmy.
I wish I had a “white list” instead of a “black list” for federation. Right now if I see too many stupid opinions from a single place (lemmy.world I’m looking at you here!) I can block it. But given this intrinsically misogynistic environment on Lemmy it might be nicer to have lists of servers I want to see things from instead of ones I don’t want.
'Cause I get this feeling that the former is a smaller list than the latter.
Yeah, I suppose that does sound nice. I guess I’ve just got some degree of learned helplessness making me feel like there’s no escape.
A whitelisted Lemmy server sounds like it’d be great. Still get the feel of Lemmy minus (most of) the misogyny.