I mean have they seen how good Ice Cubes and Mlem look? How can they choose the default Twitter and Reddit apps over those masterpieces.

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    Yeah, a lot of people have quit Twitter over Musk being a huge douche and migrated to… Blusky. And they think they’ve done something really great. It’s sad.

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        my personal dislike for it is that the claims of decentralization are countered by how expensive it is to operate in a truly decentralized manner.

        To be truly decentralized you would need to run a relay server, not just a PDS which many people already do and simply holds your data. Unfortunately, the cost to run a relay server today is already about $500+ a month [1] and will only be getting more expensive.

        Lastly, while the fediverse has figured out decentralized DM’s, Bluesky DM’s are completely centralized [1] and only work thanks to being funneled through their servers. I wouldn’t call what they have private considering they can read what everyone on Bluesky is saying privately. Granted, fediverse DM’s are not encrypted either, but at least they’re decentralized and don’t allow a single provider access to everyone’s private messages.

        [1] https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

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            Just saw some of your comments and really like how you’re using the spoiler tag. Will try to emulate it going forward. Appreciate your feedback and style. The internet urgently needs more comments backed by evidence!

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              Just saw some of your comments and really like how you’re using the spoiler tag. Will try to emulate it going forward. […]

              FYI, I’ve heard a couple reports [1.1][1.2] that the spoiler tag isn’t rendered properly on some front ends currently. Despite that, I haven’t altered my usage of it, as I don’t have any viable alternative at the moment.

              References
              1. Title: “Happy #GlobalSwitchDay”. Author: @squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de. “Fediverse” !fediverse@lemmy.world. sh.itjust.works. Lemmy. Published: 2025-02-01T09:08:40Z. Accessed: 2025-02-05T03:24Z. URI: https://sh.itjust.works/post/32046509/16428791.
                1. Comment: Author: @apex32@lemmy.world. Published: 2025-02-01T14:05:20Z. URI: https://sh.itjust.works/post/32046509/16428791.

                  I wish Boost understood the collapsible spoilers.

                  On my client, it’s all expanded and I see all the formatting characters. It looks/works great in a browser though.

                  • This is in reply to a comment that used a collapsible spoiler.
                2. Comment: Author: “Victor” @victorz@lemmy.world. Published: 2025-02-01T15:39:09Z. URI: https://sh.itjust.works/post/32046509/16430188.

                  Same with Sync, unfortunately.

                  • This was in reply to a comment saying:

                    I wish Boost understood the collapsible spoilers.

                    On my client, it’s all expanded and I see all the formatting characters. It looks/works great in a browser though.

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              […] Will try to emulate it going forward. Appreciate your […] style.

              Keep in mind that my citation style is still very much a WIP 😜. There’s a few things that I’m not sure exactly the best way to handle, at the moment. If you see inconsistencies in my citation style, it’s likely because I’m trying out a change in formatting to see if it works. I’m trying to not let perfect be the enemy of good, so I’m developing it as I use it. Eventually, if I can get it to a satisfactory state, I’m planning on publishing my citation style (likely in some git repo). That way, I can standardize it and version the changes.

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        Not OP, but the leadership has just shown themselves to be unable to run the platform how users want. They’re refusing to ban serial harasser Jesse Singal. Its head of trust and safety banned a bot and its creator because the bot pointed out that they liked a porn post on their work account for ‘harassment’. Bear in mind the entire point of Bluesky is for all this info to be public and easily accessible.

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        Just that there’s nothing keeping Bluesky from enshittifying the same way Twitter (and all the other centrally-corporate-owned social media platforms) have. By migrating, the former Twitter users are just delaying the inevitable.

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          Just that there’s nothing keeping Bluesky from enshittifying the same way Twitter (and all the other centrally-corporate-owned social media platforms) have.

          Could you elaborate on what you mean?

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            I’m not sure what else I can say about it. Bluesky is a shareholder-owned company started by Jack Dorsey, one of Twitter’s co-founders. Current CEO of Bluesky has promised not to “enshittify” Bluesky with ads, but there’s nothing really holding them to that. There’s no federation, yet. Well, there is, but not the kind that makes platforms like Mastodon and Lemmy decentralized. That kind will require at best a lot of work and funding. There’s no guarantee it’ll happen. And no guarantee of interoperability with the Fediverse.

            At any time, they could decide they’ve locked people in well enough that they can change all the rules and fuck over the users without any negative reparcussions to them. Just like Reddit and Facebook and every other platform that has enshittified lately. They could flood Bluesky with ads, sell your data, align politically with fascists, sell to Twitter, just straight shut down, or any number of evil things that leave their users with the choice to quit the platform and lose all their connections or grit their teeth and bear it.

            On the Fediverse, if you don’t like something about your instance, you can switch instances and mostly still have contact with all the same content and other people. (For instance, on Mastodon, you can switch instances and keep your followers. The first Lemmy instance I joined shut down permanently, so I switched to Lemmy.World with basically no problems whatsoever.)

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              I’m not sure what else I can say about it. Bluesky is a shareholder-owned company started by Jack Dorsey, one of Twitter’s co-founders.

              To be fair, Bluesky is specifically registered as a public benefit corporation [1]. Whether that will mean anything positive in the end, I guess, is to be determined.

              References
              1. “Bluesky”. Wikipedia. Published: 2025-02-04T19:39Z. Accessed: 2025-02-05T03:13Z. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesky.
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                  […] It is owned by Bluesky Social PBC, a benefit corporation based in the United States. […]

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    If all the average users were here, it would be just as awful as Reddit became when it hit mainstream acceptance level.

    Remember that subreddits there were quality when small but sort of became too large to have character after a certain threshold, I seem to recall 300k subscribers and up being about where that delineation was.

    Lemmy could stand to be more popular, but not too popular or it would attract the bottom feeders that make stupid one liner comments and upvote wrong answers.

    Enjoy the smaller lemmy while it lasts

    Edited for clarity, gotta drop the reddit shorthand

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      “The problem isn’t corporate, the problem is audience size.”

      Shut the fuck up about this.

      Lemmy isn’t anything right now. No impact or relevance, no practical effect in terms of community and influence. It’s just small conversations and mild entertainment.

      If you enjoy that, go ahead. But don’t campaign to hold the whole fediverse project back.

      Just get together in a niche instance with your small town types and defederate if the project successfully becomes a full fledged alternative. The Internet needs a successful full scale alternative to corporate social media to have a chance at recovery from enshittification.

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        It’s not a campaign, its an observation based on whats come before. It’ll come for lemmy the same as it did for reddit.

        I’ll adapt as it grows like before, but the fact remains that online communities are at their best when it isnt 3 million subscribers shouting over each other. On the flip side, 3 million users would likely spawn enough interest for super niche communities to self sustain themselves. The broad interest communities though, those will become just like reddit is now.

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          No it’s not a campaign but it’s a sizable unorganized proportion of Lemmy who wants to argue for soft isolationism and little to to outreach, recruiting and general onboarding/accessibility reworks that would make Lemmy too easy to understand and join.

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    As a non tech expert, in my view, the biggest concern for the fediverse to grow, presently, is how difficult it can be to sign up.

    Go to a instance listing, try and choose one, signup… all of this should be acessible but mostly invisible for the average user. The user should only be questioned what sort of content they mostly intend to browse, have a NSFW explicit option, perhaps a server location preference, and that should be it.

    Beneath the hood, this process should trigger a call to the network requesting a user slot for any server that could cater to that generic profile the prospect user filled. Even bans should be handled differently, in my opinion.

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        https://sopuli.xyz/ if you’re European

        Out of curiosity, how come you don’t recommend your own instance, feddit.org?

        I think the main concern new users have are “Can I see everything across Lemmy, or will I be getting a fragmented experience?”. This was my initial concern and I’ve seen Redditors also voice this concern. People don’t know if being on an instance means you can only be isolated to that instance, which would mean missing out on wider content, or whether you see everything (at which point you might ask what is the point of the instances then?).

        By presenting people with “here’s an instance if you’re American, here’s another if you’re European” might support the idea that people will get differenct experiences based on their location. They might ask: “Do Americans see different content to Europeans? What’s the difference? Maybe the American instance will have more users so I’ll pick that instead.”

        In reality it doesn’t matter, you can sign up to an instance and subscribe to 0 communities on your own instance, but people don’t know this if they don’t know anything about it. I do wonder whether instances should be scored by a few factors and recommended that way?

        • How many instances they’ve defederated from - the bigger the number the more it negatively affects the score
        • How many admins it has - instances with 1 admin should not be recommended at all
        • Availability - probably don’t want to recommend instances with poor uptime
        • Theme - more general purpose instances would score higher, while instances with a specific focus would score lower

        It would be good if the join-lemmy site could randomly create you an account on one of the instances that qualify. Take that cognitive load away from the user and make that choice for them - and make it clear that they’re free to sign up to any instance they want.

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          Out of curiosity, how come you don’t recommend your own instance, feddit.org?

          Even if feddit.org is bilingual, the main language is still German. The sidebar text is in German first, !main@feddit.org is name “Haupteingang” and is mostly in German, the Matrix chat is in German, etc. It makes sense, it’s the successor of feddit.de, but probably not ideal for a non-German speaker. My main account is on sopuli.

          By presenting people with “here’s an instance if you’re American, here’s another if you’re European” might support the idea that people will get differenct experiences based on their location.

          Indeed, I guess I’ll add a short “using a server on your continent is better for latency, content is the same”

          I do wonder whether instances should be scored by a few factors and recommended that way?

          I kind of did a similar assesssment a while ago (https://feddit.org/post/5215276/3396746)

          Long story short, there is no ideal generalist instance. If you open the top 20 instances (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/)

          • Lemmy.world is too big
          • Lemm.ee is federated with hexbear and lemmygrad, something that is not very welcoming to new users (see this thread: https://sh.itjust.works/post/28798607/15305964 )
          • sh.itjust.works names contains “shit”, which can deter users
          • lemmy.ca is Canadian-centric
          • feddit.org, as you mentioned, is German-centric, but technically English speaking too
          • dbzer0 federates hexbear
          • programming.dev is topic-centric
          • blahaj is queer-focused
          • discuss.tchncs.de has a difficult name
          • lemmy.sdf.org does not defederate anyone
          • lemmy.zip is federated with hexbear and lemmygrad
          • beehaw is way outdated
          • infosec.pub is topic-centric
          • aussie.zone is country-centric
          • midwest.social is region-centric

          That’s how I came up with sopuli.xyz (neutral name, stable, defederated grad and hexbear) and discuss.online (same)

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    I guess most people don’t want to wade through dozens of “eat the rich” posts every time thay open their favorite social media platform.

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    Yeah people don’t want rotten fruit, cocaine is way funnier and comes with ONE website, one mobile app… etc.