It worked on my box!

To be fair a certain security company was in global news for exactly that same send it behavior. Why waste precious resources on multiple instances? Investors hate waste. 😅

This. They provide outstanding insights and the articles they provide alongside the data are quite good.

Strange- the very tone of this thread is suggesting that the HA developers choice in how they distribute their platform is “incorrect” by your assertions. Further you seem to disagree with explanations provided as to why those choices were likely made.

Dismissing those statements and observations do not make them incorrect. Nothing I stated is dramatic: it is an observation and a comment on an increasing trend popping up around several projects. This particular topic and your responses within it align with that trend. My closing statement was directed at that. You are welcome to not like it but resorting to insults is a bit childish.

Honestly I really don’t think I am.

I’ve seen a number of topics over the last few weeks that are framed as this evil developer is doing a sinister thing…. And for what it’s worth I read the “clickbait” and then did my due diligence and followed the links / git responses etc and lo and behold every. single. issue. was stemming from that community.

We aren’t reddit. This isn’t 4chan. If your community is getting cut off because, frankly, it’s being unreasonable… don’t come here looking for a personal army.

It seems to me they chose to provide a platform that vastly simplifies the installation of their software and maintenance of its code from a debugging standpoint. This seems perfectly reasonable. This appears to bother a particular community who feel entitled enough to demand multiple developers cater to their distribution’s needs. Shit needs to stop.

The “messenger” seems to have a lot of bias they are parading around as an objective truth.

From what I’ve read the “white knights” you appear to be referring to are pretty clearly either developers or people with programming experience. To my eye they appear to be pretty level headed and on point in their observations.

But that’s hard…

Agreed. If an operating system I don’t support for my software was redirecting its users with issues to my front door I’d cut them off too if they didn’t want to help. Two way street friends. If they wanted to vilify me over it I’d happily terminate communication with them.

From what I gather here you have a particular flavor of a distribution that does not work with a foss piece of software. This is not uncommon.

Developers have finite time and energy to put into the development of their platform and likely spend that time supporting their existing user base. Just because you took the time to learn esperanto and think it is a superior language does not mean everyone else must cater to your whims.

Based on your statements you seem to “understand” nix… Instead of demanding they cater to your needs: Perhaps you should undertake the burden of forking, modifying the code, and supporting the vast ecosystem of addons then. Surely it would be a trivial matter.

Based on the general reception to your comments it would appear you need to work on your delivery, eh?

There’s a time and a place for it. This isn’t it. Further: are you really going to try walking the failing argument back as an attempt to shitpost? My guy, the hole is deep enough already.

Lashing out like you are is unbecoming and honestly is a bad look. If you can’t handle criticism I suggest you stop injecting yourself into topics you are ill equipped to discuss.

I believe I made a position clear to you elsewhere. While reading through the thread I couldn’t help but be amused at your statement here clearly complaining about something you yourself are doing - and advocating for.

Thus: pot meet kettle.

You are welcome to group me with whomever you like. It doesn’t change the statement.

…but it really cracks me up when people get up in arms about this subject they barely understand and arrive at…

Pot: meet kettle.

Show me a study that shows any human or animal benefits in anyway from drinking bleach.

There are plenty of papers out there which have supported incorrect and dangerous claims. I trust you are capable of getting the parallel I was drawing without derailing the conversation.

However, there does exist a spectrum of studies both supporting and attacking…

Yes this is how scientific academia works. It is also constantly flooded with bad science and bad faith research from focus groups pushing agendas. Let’s perhaps allow research to fully mature before committing to forcing your life choice on another organism, yeah?

From my understanding there was a nuanced discussion including risks and acknowledging that whole food diets are impossible for cats.

Nuanced discussion is most certainly not what that thread, nor this one are littered with.

Either people are reacting with emotion far more than I expected, or people are confusing whole food plant based with “no meat products in it”, which of course are two entirely different sets of food.

Nobody is telling a vegan they cannot adhere their diet to their choice. The reason people are reacting is because vegans are pushing their life choice onto an animal they willingly adopted knowing it’s dietary needs: simply because it makes them feel better. That is assanine and absolutely should be concerning to anyone.

Why are you so quick to move people into the bad vegan category?

Considering your borderline unhinged responses throughout this thread… I think that should be self answering.

Sounds like a lot of people are just using this to confirm their belief that vegans are crazy…

See above.

…and they should continue eating meat without a care.

Nobody takes issue with vegetarians, paleo, or any of the innumerable other dietary choices… why do you suppose that is?

Why are you suggesting that people who choose to have a different diet than your preference need to change at all? I personally could care less what you choose to eat- that’s your choice… however:

I think I get it. If its possible a cat could be healthy and vegan, then humans have no excuse left do they.

When you are responsible for a dependant, be that a child or a pet, it is your responsibility to care for them properly. If you think you should beat a child: someone should stop you.

Onus probandi.. We have 100s of years of evidence that cats and their kin eat meat and will become ill and die without it. The fact that a “strictly vegan” diet needs to resort to synthetics to arrive at “maybe good enough” because those nutrients are not available from your diets sources says enough. Many other vegans have made much more reasonable statements throughout this thread that don’t rely on emerging research to support their decision to force their life choice on other animals.

Self preservation at its finest.

Exactly what are we preserving here… or are you just adding a quip that you think will elevate your stance?

Conversely the community could be feeding incorrect information to the entire main feed.

If your community is unable to handle something as basic as a dissenting opinion - through civil discussion - there is a problem with your community. There are innumerable diets out there: ask yourself why you don’t see their lifestyle coming under fire. You can’t pick fights and then cry foul because you are the minority.

Are vegans all awful people? No. Of course not. But there are a significant number who elevate their lifestyle to a religious status and feel compelled to preach and inflict it on others. THAT is unacceptable.

Drinking bleach to kill a disease is technically alternative information. It’s even backed indirectly by science: bleach kills bacteria. The difference here is the information is harmful, incorrect, and being presented as science backed.

Simply put- just because an echo chamber wants to drink the Kool aid - doesn’t mean we should allow them to share it with unwitting passerbys.

Not everyone is going to do the due diligence and assume that the group is wrong: so it is potentially damaging to allow that misinformation to be spread. Multiple examples exist of why moderation is needed.

Freedom of speech is not absolute. If it limits others freedom, it must be checked. If it can harm others, it must be checked.