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  • If you didn’t want that then why use Lemmy in the first place? The entire point is that it’s an open platform. It’s one thing the defederate hate groups, but it’s something entirely different to willfully lock yourself in an echo chamber. The problem is when defederation becomes the norm and is used to eliminate any uncomfortable discussion at the whim of moderators. This isn’t just a problem with LW, its common on all instances.

    Being an open platform, anyone is welcome to create their own private spaces, and that’s fine. It just seems odd to recreate the conditions of the old social media platforms. And of course I’m free to leave if LW isn’t for me.

    And no, I’m not a free speech absolutist. But I also don’t think you need to be one to think open discorse is important.


  • I’m not really interested in seeing all of that. Id really just like an easy way to decide for myself what content I see and not relying on a server moderator to decide for me what is appropriate. Users being able to block certain instances isnt enough. We need to be able to add instances that are separate from what the rest of the server sees.

    Thats not possible, I don’t know how that would even work or if it could work. The home instance shouldn’t have to host content they object with, but I also shouldn’t have to set up my own instance just to find tune my feed.


  • Fair enough. I didn’t really consider the moderation effort required. And you could stand to be a little less aggressive. I have no problem with the rules as they stand. It would be nice though if there were a way to still communicate with these users without being subjecting everyone to their community posts. But my concerns go further than LW.

    I get why LW doesnt have an interest in being a free speech platform, but I still think it’s better to be a good influence on people rather than shutting them out. Their bad ideas don’t go away when we defederate and will probably even grow in momentum if left unchallenged. You shouldn’t have to deal with them if you don’t want to and their content need not be visible by default. I just think Lemmy needs options other than defederation. We risk recreating the siloed communities federation was meant to counter.

    And it’s not like these worst offenders don’t deserve to be alienated, I just think it’s inevitable that we will become used to defederation but and start doing it on a whim. Lemmy will become a sanitized environment devoid of anything coming close to contraversial. If this happens, it takes away the biggest advantage we have over Reddit, Twitter, etc. No important conversations will happen here, the population will fracture and dwindle, we will all return to Reddit.

    I’m not really asking LW to change anything, I’m just saying there needs to be finer controls built into Lemmy that will prevent defederation becoming the default method of dealing with troublesome instances.


  • Will it make a return once we gain the ability to block individual instances? I’m not fan of communism and I’m personally stoked to not have lemmygrad in my feed. And I think you made the right choice given the current state of Lemmy but I do think that a “free speech” forum requires that we don’t silence hate speech en masse. I’m sure can agree to at least part of that statement. I just like to make the decision of what I wanted filtered out.

    I should probably add that I’m not advocating for any illegal content. That has no place here.