The vast majority of people I know offline think all these protests are staged by paid actors because they can’t imagine that anyone would want to go do the right thing without asking “What’s in it for me?” It’s insane.

Whether or not any of it was a bug, the fact that it has this bad of a record when it’s been around for less than 10 years means that they should not be trusted to provide the most important application on your computer. And if they are bugs, then that’s even MORE of a reason you should stay far away, since they’re obviously too clueless to be trusted with such a responsibility.

There are more problems with Brave than just the CEO. The Brave browser itself has quite a history of deceptive and ethically questionable practices, such as replacing ads with its own, conning people into donating to crypto wallets by making them think they’re donating to creators, and sneaking in affiliate codes. A browser with that kind of record should never be trusted, especially by people who care about privacy.

I find the package manager clunky.

As someone who generally likes Arch, I feel like this isn’t brought up enough. Every Arch user seems to love pacman, but I find it way clunkier to use than apt and dnf. It’s like they made it cryptic on purpose.

All five times are listed here.

None of that other stuff matters if they’re this incompetent at something as basic as SSL certificates. It’s not dogma. It’s not nitpicking. This is Security 101. I can’t recommend a distro that fails this badly at a basic security task to newcomers.

I’m sorry, but the fact that they failed to renew their SSL certificates and told their users to change their system clocks as a workaround, not once, not twice, but FIVE times so far… well, that’s not petty. That’s security 101. That tells me they can’t be trusted to provide a secure operating system.

The rest of your points, I mostly agree with you on. I really wanted to like Manjaro when I tried it a few years ago. I would love to see more newbie-friendly distros that aren’t based on Ubuntu and GNOME. But I can’t recommend a distro that can’t even manage to do SSL renewals right.

You keep ignoring every single example I’ve given you by saying it doesn’t matter because Apple.

Wrong.

They’re ALL doing ALL of it. Microsoft’s Surface laptops and tablets are even less repairable than iPads and MacBooks, and Google’s devices become paperweights as soon as they get bored (and they WILL get bored… see the size of the Google Graveyard).

Arguing over which one is the worst offender ignores the bigger picture and will lead to things continuing to get worse.

I said that Microsoft and Google are guilty of the same stuff as Apple. You said they don’t. So I provided examples.

Apple is the only one that gets the blame on the Internet, especially here in the Fediverse, but they’re all guilty.

Microsoft’s own Surface devices are among the least repairable on the planet. And Google has a browser and search monopoly, and almost all of their hardware is disposable once they get bored with it.

Good ol’ inertia! Most people think anything but the familiar is too hard.

So Microsoft and Google do the same stuff as Apple, but for some reason Apple’s the only one guilty of planned obsolescence?

BTW I mentioned phones because you said “devices”

That’s fair. I’ve noticed that Wine’s support of non-game software can be hit or miss depending on what it is.

I’d say your case is more necessity than willingness.

That sounds more like forced than willing to me.

True, that’s why I said they were brainwashed

deleted by creator

That too. But I also know a lot of people who aren’t tech-literate who refuse to consider buying anything that doesn’t come with Windows because “it’s too hard”

Don’t forget about the disposable laptops with Windows 10 that are no longer supported because Windows 11 doesn’t like their TPM or CPU!