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  • UmeU@lemmy.worldtoScience Memes@mander.xyzThe 1900s
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    16 days ago

    That’s a long and boring response.

    The evidence that no one can live past 123 is that no one has ever lived past 123. We have a sample size of billions on that statistic.

    Some low quality science journal says that ‘maybe we could live forever, or like, 150 or something’ and I say ‘cool story bro’.

    I can imagine that it might be true, but that does not make it possible.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    People like you are why Iemmy is almost as bad as Reddit… talking in circles, saying nothing.


  • UmeU@lemmy.worldtoScience Memes@mander.xyzThe 1900s
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    17 days ago

    Please forgive me if I have misunderstood you.

    I am not sure what relevance ‘pop-science’ has unless pop science means non science.

    I get that you are saying ‘maybe, possibly, not completely ridiculous to think’, etc., however until it has been demonstrated to be a possibility, the idea that a human might live until 150 is just about as preposterous as the articles’ postulation of the potential for physical immortality.

    Something which is evidenced to be not possible does not suddenly become ‘possible’ just because one can imagine it.








  • The only thing that can correct bad science is good science.

    That’s the great thing about the scientific method, as soon as someone presents a flawed hypothesis which is then subjected to scrutiny, good science has the opportunity to shine a light on the mistakes.

    The process of science is not deeply flawed. Just because capitalism does indeed incentivize some to stray away from the scientific method does not then make science itself flawed.

    You are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    Capitalism is a big problem, but to say that the scientific method is deeply flawed because of capitalism is not correct.



  • UmeU@lemmy.worldtoScience Memes@mander.xyzScience is more like a conversation.
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    5 months ago

    If all scientific knowledge were to suddenly disappear and we were to start from square one, it would all reappear exactly like it is. We would rediscover gravity, evolution, the expansion of the universe, etc.

    Just because some scientific research is funded by entities with a bias, does not mean that the process of science is corrupted.

    Often times the results of the research funded by biased corporations and institutions results in discovery that is contrary to the goal of the entity and so they just stop funding it. Sometimes they actively try to bury the discoveries, however the process of science will ensure that the truth comes to light eventually.

    This meme has a poor understanding of science.


  • Copy paste top answer from the original question is below.

    I find it refreshing that there are actually people out there who are smart and understand this stuff, when I am constantly surrounded by stupid people like myself.

    For an exact calculation we need to address a few choices: (you can change them, the answer will not be tremendously affected)

    1. What is the receiver? Let’s assume a 70 m dish, like this one [CDSCC] in the Deep Space Network.
    2. [Voyager 1] can transmit at 2.3GHz or 8.4GHz. Let’s assume 8.4GHz, for better beam forming (but probably it can only use the lowest frequency at the highest power, so this could be too optimistic).
    3. Does “received” mean all photons hitting the antenna dish, or only those entering the electronic circuit of the first LNA? A similar question can be asked for the transmitter in the space craft. We’ll ignore this here since losses related to illuminators or Cassegrain construction will not even be one order of magnitude, insignificant compared with the rest. Answers:\

    A) Voyager sends 160 bits/second with 23W. Using 8.3GHz this is 4⋅1024 photons per second, or 2.6⋅1022 per bit, because for frequency f the energy per photon is only Eϕ=ℏω=2πℏf=5.5⋅10−24J  or  5.5 yJ (yoctojoule).

    B) The beam forming by Voyager’s d=3.7mdish will direct them predominantly to Earth, with (πd/λ)2 antenna gain, but still, at the current distance of R=23.5 billion kilometers, this only results in 3.4⋅10−22 Watt per square meter reaching Earth, so a receiver with a D=70m dish will collect only 1.3 attowatt (1.3⋅10−18W), summarized by: Preceived=Ptransmit (πdλ)2 14πR2 πD24 Dividing by Eϕ we see that this power then still corresponds to c. 240000 photons per second, or 1500 photons per bit. If we assume f=2.3GHz this becomes 415 photons per bit. And if we introduce some realistic losses here and there perhaps only half of that.

    C) (Although not asked in the question) how many photons per bit are needed? The [Shannon limit] C=Blog2(1+SN), relates bandwidth B, and S/N ratio to maximum channel capacity. It follows that with only thermal noise N=kTnoiseB, the required energy per bit is: Ebit=SC=kTnoise 2C/B−1C/B ⇒ limC≪B  Ebit=kTnoiselog2, where C≪B is the so-called “ultimate” Shannon limit. With only the CMB (Tnoise=3K)we would then need 41yJ, or 41⋅10−24J, per bit. That’s only 7.5 photons at 8.3GHz. But additional atmospheric noise and circuit noise, even with a good cryogenic receiver, could easily raise Tnoise to about 10K and then we need 25photons per bit at 8.3GHz, and even 91 at 2.3GHz. So clearly there is not much margin.