Egoism comes from one of two sources, so you can pick your poison. Ayn Rand is popular with libertarians, conservatives, and other short-sighted, smooth-brain ideologies. Left Hand Path Satanism is the other source. That form of egoism isn’t inherently ignorant, but it attracts edgelords and misanthropes.
What is the texture and flavor of jellyfish?
It does feel like an overly formalized speech, but I’ve always chosen to judge ideas on their merits rather than their presentation.
So you’re a fan of grassroots initiatives.
It’s not that I’m inflexible in my vision, it’s that I’m dealing with people who think they know what the project is about, so they keep arguing with their own fantasies. I’m only trying to orient them to the actual project, so that any input they provide is actually relevant. When I label something as ignorance, I recognize that it’s triggering for people. That’s because they don’t understand that the root of ignorance is “ignore.” When the information is presented in good faith and it’s ignored or interpreted in bad faith, that’s ignorance.
As for the practical vs ideological approach, all of the information a person needs to build a better world already exists. The reason it’s not being built is that people are programmed with capitalistic ideology. This project is about using an entirely new ideology to direct those actions. If you think the project needs better PR then you are welcome to act practically to create it. If you just want to build a homestead, I have resources for that as well. I am creating a framework. I hope that others use the framework to enact change in the same way I’m using it to enact change in my own life.
The problem is that people all want to talk about what’s not possible, and they don’t want to reach just a bit to see what is possible, and the groundwork that’s being laid. They’ve got that capitalistic, competitive mindset that compels them to tear down anything they don’t control, and that’s what I’m fighting against.
Oh I give people two or three chances before I decide that continuing is a waste of their time and mine, then I use them as an example. I’m not going to bang my head up against the wall for the sake of one person who never wanted to understand. You seem to think that this is an equal exchange. It’s actually a sharing of ideas met with repeated attacks. You accuse me of being unyielding and failing to compromise. There is no compromise with ignorance. You and I have gotten along swimmingly. It’s because you know how to use logic, and you’re not trying to mischaracterize every statement that I make. Do you notice the difference in my responses?
I’ve been around long enough to know that there’s no way to please everybody, and I’m not trying to. Ideally, the first few active members will be enthusiastic and understanding of the underlying principles. I have created a Discord, and I have more information in reserve. I’m just trying to grow the project organically for now.
How does a flock know when to move, and how does it move as one? To a Starling, what is good for the flock is good for the individual. Each part contributes to the whole, and when a threat appears, the strength of the whole protects the individual. The purpose of the bird imagery is to invoke the spirit of the project without all of the essays and lists. As for what people should do, that’s up to them. Each individual is an authority. You can help somebody else or you can start your own thing. If you have a yard and a garden, then try to spread your knowledge to others. If you have a degree in history, write parables that prepare individuals to recognize historical threats. If you think you understand the philosophy of the movement and want to create a guide for others, go ahead. The core of this project is community building. All of the posts on the Lemmy community are just intended to open the mind and provide examples. I have a ton of survival information, a repository that’s most likely larger than anything you’ve seen. I need to find a good host for it online.
I don’t talk down to people. I talk to people in the exact tone they use when addressing me. When they start complaining that they don’t have access to information that’s printed right in front of their faces, when they twist clear communications into strawmen, and when they stubbornly cling to their delusions after being corrected; they are acting in bad faith. When they ask sincere questions, accept new information, and engage meaningfully; I do the same. I linked the passages that explained the solutions that the user insisted that I was neglecting and they refused to read them.
First line of the pinned post.
Project Murmuration is a hypothetical concept that envisions a decentralized, self-sustaining, adaptable, and flexible civilization inspired by the natural phenomenon of murmurations seen in birds, particularly starlings. This project proposes a unique approach to creating communities that thrive through cooperation, shared intention, and a commitment to abundance while avoiding threats of violence from opposing cultures.
What doesn’t that answer for you?
You still haven’t criticized the project, only me for not spoon feeding it to you. Any further comment is a waste of our time, since you promised to block me.
It’s a Project I conceived, and I hope that other people understand how it works and begin to participate. Most of the time people see that somebody is trying something and they start trying to pick it apart without understanding any of it. They act like reading a few paragraphs of text and considering a different mode of operating is worse than pulling teeth and they retreat back into the familiar ignorance of comment trolling.
How would you suggest I respond differently? I have only corrected willful misrepresentations. Interesting that you critique me for “assigning reading lists” when both of your posts have been about a book you want us to read. My reading lists are a few paragraphs on a site where we’re actively conversing.
Project Murmurations says, “If you believe that going into the middle of nowhere in a wierd society with hippie/new age ideals with a charismatic leader and lots of labor serves yourself and your community then do it. You are also free to change your course if you find that your plan isn’t working out.”
It offers tools to assist in creating self-sustaining communities and a shared identity based on a simple philosophy. Since every member is an authority, every member is free to serve the project however they see fit. There are suggestions at https://slrpnk.net/c/murmuration
Define cult. Nobody can tell you what to do in the Murmuration. Each member is an authority unto themselves.
Whether you don’t understand or you didn’t read the texts, it looks the same on this end. You’re offering critiques that have already been answered and getting mad at me for telling you that you have all of this information already. What makes you think any of these posts are talking about threats that can only come from outside the organization? These guides are for each individual to determine who to make alliances with. Maybe it’s the whole “Decentralized” thing that has you confused. Each individual is responsible for their own borders and their own actions. The guides even discuss cooperative and creative thought processes within the individual, so that one isn’t fooled by charismatic individuals asking them to give up their power.
Your belief that I need to work on my people skills comes from your misconception of this conversation. I’m not trying to convince you. You have already committed yourself to ignorance. I’m speaking to the third party readers. I’m open to criticism, as soon as you demonstrate any understanding of this project. Until then, I’m not dealing with criticism. I’m parrying your ignorance.
I had to drag a solution out of them. In the process, I hoped to educate them on the value of a more constructive way of communicating.
So you didn’t read them.
https://slrpnk.net/post/1210220 - The Project Murmuration Philosophy
https://slrpnk.net/post/1292188 - Communicating with bad faith actors and the willfully ignorant
https://slrpnk.net/post/1416416 - Open Secrecy, Determining Intentions, and The Hidden Listener
https://slrpnk.net/post/1225058 - Project Accomplishment and Conflict Resolution
The short answer is that the project does nothing to prevent the rise of authority. Individual Starlings are all authorities unto themselves and they decide when to cooperate and when to change directions to align with other Starlings who share their vision of what is best for the whole.
I’ve read at least 4 of her books, and I am well aware of the problems that we face. There are extensive posts on the community I linked addressing how to overcome roadblocks to a successful cooperative society.
I always thought it rewarded skill better. Instead of blue shells, karts were faster the farther back they fell in rankings, the lack of randomized items encouraged strategy, and if you didn’t touch the steering, accelerator or brakes, the boosts would last longer. Plus the music was dope.