You’re not wrong!

I could but I’m not the person who cares enough to want to look into it. I’m telling the person who does that doing so is a good idea.

I think we need to start reframing it as some sort of combined right to freedom to speak and freedom to not listen. Right now the majority of the time I hear someone talking about freedom of speech is when they want the authority to force people to listen to them.

Yeah the sad reality is that the entire situation is a mess and there isn’t really a good guy to root for beyond innocent civilians caught up in it. (Though you can certainly argue about who is the worst bad guy… That doesn’t make their enemy not also a bad guy.)

I expect you need to look in the Lemmy.World moderation log to see to what degree lemmy.ml users were or were not problematic (I’ve no idea either way.)

It’s a good question. Hopefully the Beehaw admin team will reach out to the Lemmy.World admin team to have a discussion about exactly what the LW admins are trying to achieve and under what conditions they will be ready to reopen submissions. Though even if they do have that conversation there’s no guarantee that that will match up with what the Beehaw admins are looking for in order to refederate. It was made clear from the Beehaw admins at the time though that they didn’t have any issues with LW in general, only that toxic disruptive people were using the open sign-up of LW to create accounts to go cause trouble over at Beehaw (outside of the general LW userbase) and that they hoped to refederate once better tools were in place to address those disruptive users. Could be that lines up pretty well with LW’s goal to wait until they have better tools to address malicious bot accounts before they reopen signups.

Also… Exactly how much of a contribution are we losing from people who care deeply enough about piracy to want to leave Lemmy as a whole rather than make a tiny amount of effort.

Like… If they aren’t people who want to pay for things or put any personal energy into them… How will we notice they have gone?

Why not just hang out on the Lemmy instances that actively support piracy?

The fuck are you talking about? Lemmy.world has defederated from other Lemmy communities that are about piracy. Those Lemmy communities that are about piracy still exist and are part of Lemmy.

Are you entirely certain you understand what the difference is between Lemmy and Lemmy.World?

It’s a bit like the difference between the United States and San Fransisco if that helps at all…

Noone’s stopping users from using Lemmy.World here. You just can’t do stuff related to piracy in the process. There’s a difference between “you can’t do X here” and “you aren’t allowed to be here.” If you’re incapable of engaging with a social space without bringing piracy into it that’s a you issue.

The conversation gets a bit scrambled/broken up by disruptive/toxic people but this is a comment chain on lemmy.ml two weeks ago about SQL issues and challenges in getting the Lemmy Dev team to address them that might be worth reading:

https://lemmy.ml/comment/2100093

Two directions at once. It wasn’t long ago I saw someone very irate that these SQL issues needlessly exist, and that they had repeatedly tried to tell the Lemmy devs that they are an issue and been shrugged off about it. So the Lemmy devs who have decided that not acknowledging the problem is the same as the problem not existing are definitely partly to blame.

Mostly though the person to blame is whomever is a using whatever weaknesses exist to try to disrupt Lemmy.World because of their own personal bullshit.