Exactly, it doesn’t belong to the offspring, that’s why I said it is a proto-chicken’s egg. It belongs to the ones that made it and raised it. But we know the contents because it’s a preset hypothetical in which the egg hatches and it has a chicken in it. So it’s a chicken egg that belongs to proto-chickens.

I just don’t get why you’re so hung up on the potentiality of an unhatched egg when that has nothing to do with the scenario. The egg in the scenario hatches and it has a chicken in it. That’s the whole point of the scenario.

Yeah, we were necessarily ignoring the obvious evolutionary issues inherent in the chicken-and-egg scenario, since it very clearly was not one egg-laying instance that created a new species. I know I made reference to as much somewhere in the thread, it seemed like a waste of time to restate it every comment. I’m fairly certain we were on the same page about that. Cool wall though!

OK, think of it like this instead. Obviously fuck accuracy, for ease we’ll call them cavepeople. Two different cavepeople that are genetically distinct from humans have sex, resulting in a genetically human fetus. That doesn’t suddenly change the cavepeople into humans, they’re still genetically different. It’s a caveperson’s fetus, but it’s a human fetus. Same thing with the egg. Genetically, the thing inside is a chicken and, genetically, the things that made the egg are not.

We’re not talking about eggs laid by chickens, we’re talking about eggs laid by the things that weren’t quite chickens, but the eggs of which contain chickens, due to a novel DNA combination.

No, if a chicken could hatch out of it, regardless of whether or not it actually did, it’s a chicken egg. Nothing else could hatch out of it and it didn’t somehow cease to have been an egg just because it doesn’t hatch.

Yes, that’s the driving force of evolution.

No it wouldn’t. If we’re going to talk about the creation of chickens as happening at a single instance of egg-laying, the two progenitors of said first chicken would be proto-chickens whose DNA combined in the fertilized egg to make, for the first time ever, a chicken. Yes, it’s a chicken egg, because it contains a chicken, but it’s also a proto-chicken’s egg because it wasn’t laid by a full chicken. It couldn’t have been, they didn’t exist yet.

Incorrect, a “chicken’s egg” would be an egg in the possession of a chicken, which would be the egg a chicken lays. The “first chicken” did not hatch out of an egg laid by a chicken because they didn’t exist.

It’s an egg that will hatch into a chicken, since the “first” chicken must have hatched out of an egg that was laid and fertilized by two “non-chickens” whose DNA combined together to make a full-blown chicken. Of course it wasn’t actually just one egg, but really, no matter how you think about it, the egg came first.

Just buy their music! Those are the bands that actually need the support.

No worries, looks like op changed the title at some point, so you may have just seen the old one.

They very well might be, but they’re not from Brazil or the rest of South America, so it’s irrelevant.

It’s the most popular bands from each country, not the most popular bands in each country. So Maiden could have only been in the UK and Sabbath beat them out.

Yes…we’re evolving…

I believe it’s scraping the tines of a fine comb so they make a weird metallic sound that sometimes makes cats gag.

I reeeeeally don’t think Portal qualifies as an FPS, but aight.

That’s a terrible summary.

I suppose it’s basically flipping turned 90 degrees, so it might still be affected but which face is forward when being spun.

Would spinning the coin get rid of that bias?