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Hey, the NSA would never behave like the Stasi!

https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/gay-liberation-behind-iron-curtain/#:~:text=In 1985 the Stasi finally,final recommendation was entirely novel.

Don’t you dare compare the two!

(Please read the link, it is necessary for the joke)

You’re allowed to criticize communism on hexbear, we get annoyed when you don’t know what communism even is before you criticize it though.

It is equivalent to someone coming into a car forum and saying a corvette is a very shitty f150, and this is what you need to do to fix it

Is this how you generally respond to banter?

Less embarrassing than defending authoritarian colonialist empires.

Cuba? Vietnam? Laos? All these countries are firmly marxist leninist. I’d also like your definition of colonialist if you think that the USSR did colonial extractivism, or China for that matter given how often Africa prefers their loans (and how often they are forgiven instead of being exploited by debt bondage like the IMF does)

Look, capitalism, etc. are awful, but that doesn’t excuse defending authoritarian regimes.

Socialist countries generally have more robust democracies than the global North does. Look at the democratic process that it took to get Cuba’s new family code on the ballot. Watch some of the Vietnamese assembly sessions.

It is perfectly possible improve the lives of everyone without atrocities, and defending the people who commit those atrocities severely damages efforts to actually improve society.

I dont defend the atrocities committed(except against actual nazi soldiers and others who carried out the holocaust, that was cool and good), I just defend the projects as they have been a net good for the world and given plenty of lessons to be learned from.

Socialist states commit less atrocities than capitalism ever will because under socialism, atrocities are failures of the system that can be avoided. Under capitalism, atrocities are a normal part of the way systems operate. Accumulation by dispossession is an integral and continuous aspect of capitalism, as is poverty caused by the necessity of a desperate surplus army of labor. To compare them to Nazis, which committed even more atrocities than normal capitalist states, is disingenuous and carries water for Nazis.

This is honestly like watching a conservative be like “wokism and fascism are the same thing” and its embarrassing.

No socialist society ever did the equivalent of the holocaust. They did some lesser atrocities with a much smaller total body count than capitalism or monarchism. Socialists have historically raised people out of poverty, increased literacy and political rights and engagement, and fought against the worst of capitalist reaction (including the fascists, often while liberals stood back and watched or funded the fascists). Nazis scapegoated so they could have a sizeable slave workforce, crush any form of workers solidarity, and destroy the domestic standard of living, all in order to keep the money flowing to people the luxemburgists would have killed or reformed if they weren’t stopped by the social democrats.

Theyre doing a pretty obvious bit and CPC or Communist Party of China doesn’t have the racist baggage the use of CCP does.

No, you see, trans people in Cuba who have more rights than US trans people would agree that communists hate marginalized people equally as much.

red fascist

You should read Jewish scholars writing about the double genocide myth. Equating communists to fascists was used to excuse complicity in the holocaust, it isnt fucking cool.

He’s making fun of anti-communists by comparing liberals(right wingers, as they support the right of undemocratic ownership of the means of production) calling people tankies with conservatives calling people woke.

I dont think the bit lands but figured you deserved an explanation.

Hexbear doesn’t even have downvotes to protect trans users from downvote brigades (and they banned the downvoters)

I know you’re implying we aren’t real socialists but the vast majority of socialists in the world are some brand of marxist leninist or offshoot thereof. It sounds strange to an anglophone audience but western anti-communist socialists are the anomaly. (And have never had their political projects succeed)

Because they won’t explain the bit, theyre pointing out how tankie is to liberals(right wingers, as they support the right of undemocratic ownership of the means of production) as woke is to conservatives.

Gotta say I’m not surprised that the admins of a “nuetral” instance preemptively ban a socialist instance that’s telling its users to follow the rules on other instances while it dragged its feet to ban a nazi instance which was actually causing problems.

Signed,

Hexbear user since inception

Thats plausible deniablity for you.