I wrote COBOL years ago.

I write several flavours of BASIC fluently, Fortran and Pascal passably, three forms of assembler well enough to get by, and I’ve worked in COBOL.

I plated it up in this shallow bowl so that I could get the rice mound in the picture. I went back for a bit more.

Basically the same as we’re listed here. Obligate carnivores require a largely meat based diet. Some guys book where he claims is ok isn’t good enough proof. You need peer reviewed and published science with a large population over a long time to be sure.

Just very obvious stuff. Carnivores require meat.

Sure…this discussion came up a couple of months ago. Several people argued that feeding a herbivorous diet to a carnivore was animal abuse. Everyone arguing that point, including myself, was banned and all comments not supporting the group think in the echo bunker were removed.

Need more?

You came with, “I know you are but what am I?” three times then told me that if I commented it meant that I cared what you thought. There was no irony at all, just sadness that I didn’t get a real discussion but a series of falacious school yard taunts. Weak.

It’s funny that you think you can tell me what I’m thinking. “If you reply it means you care about my opinion.” That is the height of arrogance.

Danth’s Law

We were done when you trotted out, “I know you are but what am I?”

“I know you are but what am I?”

Weak.

This is how I do it.

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Your question is loaded with a sense of absolute moral superiority. I raise chickens for eggs and meat. I don’t abuse them or maim them. I treat them well, feed them high quality food, and provide clean, dry, warm housing that protects them from predators. The roam freely during the day and come home to roost at night. When it is time for them to die they die in the most humane way possible.

What vegans are talking about is pure, selfish arrogance. They’re going to take a carnivore and force it to eat an inappropriate diet to satisy their own selfish needs. Get a herbivore instead. Get a rabbit. They are cat like and the thrive on a vegan diet.

What you’re describing is an echo bunker. The anime example isn’t a good fit, though. In the case of c/vegan they are taking about animal abuse, feeding an animal that evolved to eat meat and that needs to eat meat to be healthy a vegan diet. Whether anime or live action is better doesn’t harm anything. Feeding a cat a vegan diet has a real possibility of causing health problems or death.

No one gives a shit what they want to eat. I look at the pictures of the brown slop that they post claiming its the best recipe ever and laugh. I don’t care. When they talk about doing that to a cat or dog I care. Those are the posts that get a lot of reaction from people who love animals.

The hate that vegans get on Lemmy is when they push themselves into discussions of farming, hunting, fishing, etc. to push their ideological purity on other and to shame people who are just going about their lives or when the talk about abusing their pets.

To be clear, while the idea that discussion is welcome is good the moderators of c/vegan do not tolerate discussion. Any opinion that goes against the orthodoxy of the echo bunker leads to a permanent ban. If you express any opinion other that, “It’s fully acceptable to force your extremist philosophy on an obligate carnivore by feeding it an unnatural vegan diet” you will be banned. It’s an incredibly closed minded and intolerant community.

Spaying/neutering and vaccinating your pet is responsible pet ownership as is feeding them a diet appropriate to their needs and evolution. A vegan diet is inappropriate for an obligate or facultative carnivore.

The choice argument is silly at I’ve said elsewhere in this conversation. It only works on those who believe that they are absolutely morally superior, like vegan extremists, because taking the choice away from another being shatters that bubble of self-delusionional superiority.

I said the same thing somewhere else. My cats can leave whenever they want. They don’t.

Ugh. Thanks.

Dogs are facultative carnivores. Cats are obligate carnivores. Dogs are more opportunistic and flexible than cats.

Ok, valid point.

My cats are free to leave. They can walk away and never come back any time they choose. They choose to come back. They choose to sleep on the couch, or in the bed we put on the landing on the stairs, or in the cardboard box houses my daughter made and put on the table in front of the window where they can watch the birds. They occasionally choose to eat a snake or mouse that they caught but mostly eat the expensive kibble we provide. They get pets and scratches and medical care when they need it.

Have you ever tried to train a cat?

Our chickens are the same. I let them out in the morning and they come back at night. They could leave and there would be nothing that I could do about it but they don’t.

The argument sort of falls apart in the face of reality.