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Willing to throw my hat into the ring here and say that I haven’t even bought it yet because I know my pc can’t handle it. I will wait for performance patches (or look at finally upgrading my 5 year old pc)

I also think they’ve done everything right. They called it out BEFORE release, but released anyway for the subset of players who can play, with the promise of improving it for the rest.

The ones who can play it got lucky, the ones who can’t and are all pissed about it are the same ones who would be bitching if it got delayed.

I replied to “your other comment”.

I meant the one made elsewhere in this thread where I explain why I don’t think it’s a shit argument. I think the wireless is a legitimate upgrade over wired when we’re talking about a mobile phone.

The fidelity is one of many many pros we have listed
I don’t understand what this has to do with anything.

I’m trying to point out that your “pro” of better fidelity doesn’t mean anything in a space where people aren’t using a lossless format, and so aren’t taking advantage of that extra fidelity anyway. This is admittedly an area I’m not strong in, so I could well be wrong, but I don’t think there’s any difference between wired and wireless when the source is Spotify.

you don’t have to choose.

Alright, this is fair. It would be great to keep the option for both. However, I don’t think it’s fair to knock Fairphone for not offering this option though, particularly because it takes space on the pcb and is an extra component cost (yes, a small one, I admit)

People are calling it a money grab move to not include a headphone jack, and I just don’t think that’s fair.

it would be a shit argument

This is fundamentally where we disagree. See my other comment

That is a pro, not a con

Never said it was a con, nor did I mean to imply that jacks are obsolete overall, only that it’s a valid move to not include them on a device that is primarily used to stream audio and thus doesn’t need the extra fidelity. Unless you want to try and tell me that Joe Public should be lugging around gigabytes of flac files?

lick Tim Cook’s boots

Lol, personally I prefer the taste of Han Jong-hee or Kenichiro Yoshida’s boots

jack comes with none.

Respectfully, this is rose tinted glasses talking. Do you know what my wireless buds workflow is?

1. Open case
2. Insert buds into ears and wait for “Bluetooth connected”
3. Tap left bud
4. Music plays.

Compare that to

1. Pull out buds
2. Untangle cord
3. Pull out phone
4. Fumble jack into the microphone hole for 2 minutes
5. Look at device, and insert jack into correct hole.
6. Unlock phone
7. Open music app of choice
8. Hit play
9. Music plays

With wireless buds, I don’t even have to know exactly where my phone is. To say nothing of having to carry it around with me which, if you’re doing housework, or a workout can be a pain.

Also, anyone who’s ever had buds forcibly ripped from their ears because they’ve dropped their phone will tell you:

Wired buds ALSO have drawbacks

It’s simply not.

Ye, well, that’s just, like, your opinion man…

But seriously, that highly subjective. I’ll take wireless over wired any day thanks. The inconvenience of having to charge the buds is not actually as bad as you’re making it out to be. You can charge and listen if you consider charging the case as still being charging the whole unit.

The convenience of not having to deal with the damm cables themselves outweighs the inconvenience of needing to occasionally charge them for me, and clearly I’m not alone.

Someone smarter than me can talk about audio quality over wireless, but when we’re talking about streaming music from Spotify, it’s moot anyway.

The fact is, for the vast majority of mobile users, wireless is an upgrade over wired.

Look, I do understand, and it took me a while to buy into the wireless buds thing, but you could have made the same argument for PS/2 mouse and keyboards, or anything using mini, and then later, micro USB.

The fact is, if you want to keep your old peripherals, but upgrade your main compute device, at some point you need to accept that you’ll need an adapter.

The 3.5mm jack was first introduced in the 1950s as a mini version of the 6.5mm jack… which was used as far back as 1878… it’s had a hell of a run, but if you weigh the pros and cons fairly, wireless as a standard has drawbacks, but is actually, ultimately an upgrade and it’s well overdue.

I just think there are enough wireless options (and adapters) available now that it’s not fair to knock fairphone for this decision anymore.

Is this a fair argument in 2023 with all the options for wireless headphones/buds? I feel like it still sucks because you can’t use your dollar store wired sets, but there are enough cheap raycon clones out now that it’s hardly a guaranteed secondary sale at this point.