The thing is, you could make a profile on Threads as well. You could create your own instance that is federated. It’s not like .world refraining from federating would mean you can’t view Threads in general. Just like you can still experience FB content even tho they are not federated. No one is stopping you.

But this isn’t a matter of right and left discourse; it’s a matter of people being manipulated into extreme and dangerous beliefs and actions without realizing it.

I think it is blatantly wrong to enable and promote such platforms and social disease, just like it would be wrong for supermarkets to sell dangerous/defective products.

Someone may be interested in trying some special kind of water, but it shouldn’t be sold in stores if it’s poisoning people. The shop can’t stop someone from doing dangerous things, but they can refrain from enabling harm to come to their shoppers by refraining from peddling dangerous products.

It’s like a Medicare insurance firm knowingly hiring a con-artist who has already defrauded countless elderly individuals…

I don’t think it’s right for large instances to allow dangerous misinformation to affect their users. FB/Instagram have culpability in the real-world violence. The massive amount of unnecessary deaths from covid misinformation. Anti-masking. Overdosing on horse de-wormer…

The admins of these large instances have an ethical decision to make which will have real-world consequences. They will have culpability in spreading radicalism and exposing their users to potential unethical influence by Meta/Threads.

If they federate and it leads to users losing their self-identity to identity fusion to a radical group, that victim is on them. That fractured family is on them. They will share responsibility for radical users trying to foment insurrection or executing their families due to delusional extremism. [1] [2]

They have to decide whether they want to protect and cultivate a healthy community or not. By federated with Threads, they will be doing the opposite.

So do you feel the same way for exploding heads? I don’t think platforms should be given exposure when they’re going to lead to more radicalization.

And I was intending to create some more communities here, but I’m reluctant to do that with potential Threads integration.

For instance, I was thinking about making a community for my city, but I wouldn’t want Threads integration to be incorporated into the community. Would I have a way of the community itself blocking Threads?

But what it ultimately boils down to is the danger that the far-right poses, especially with trump’s dictator remarks and threats against political opponents as well as the justice department.

These platforms and the way they are managed have real-world consequences. January 6th is an example. The_Donald and incels on reddit lead to real-world violence and murders. 8chan users have a history of encouraging mass shooters.

This is such a tumultuous time with dangerous and fascist rhetoric becoming normalized, and there is a danger of real-world violence. There’s also plenty of examples already. Far-right extremism has been on the rise around the world and is a global concern.

I think the ethical decision is not to enable such platforms that enable hatespeech, harassment, and radicalization. But I understand that you disagree with me.

I already acknowledged how that does not protect the community itself. Including from potential unethical practices/non-consenting experiments by Threads against users, seeing as how that is an established practice of the parent company.

If Threads is federated with Lemmy.World, could they not carry out actions that would in-turn affect users from this instance?

For example, say they manipulate the hot posts on Threads to be depressing content to experiment on moods (again). Would that manipulated feed not affect users of this instance with the federated content?

Or what about how FB and Instagram promoted misinformation many times over, and which is a current problem on Threads? How is this different than defederating from Exploding Heads?

It seems wild to me to federate with a notorious bad actor like Meta/Threads. It’s so clearly in opposition to cultivating a healthy fediverse IMO. The immediate payoff is more users in the Fediverse, but I think it will be a mistake in the long run.

People advocating for trusting Meta/Threads this time after their history is like believing that touching a hot stove won’t burn me this time.

I implore you to read the article I just published regarding how people become radicalized. Your decision is ultimately going to affect the well-being and safety of the users of Lemmy.World.

I see the suggestion of personally blocking Threads purported as a solution, but that is limited to a personal level. That does not solve the problem of radicalization of the user-base in general. Users who have not blocked them or people viewing without a profile will be potentially exposed to misinformation and extremism.

As documented in my article, radicalization happens through a social contagion effect, in which repeated exposures reinforce the radical beliefs. People who otherwise would not believe such things become radicalized through repetition, and social media websites (including reddit and lemmy) serve as catalysts for radicalizing such vulnerable people.

Incels were spawned through their echo-chamber on reddit, and slowly radicalized to the point in which they have committed mass murder and acts of domestic terrorism. Read sources The_Donald on reddit was originally a satire subreddit that became a pro-trump echo-chamber, which snowballed into real-world extremism and had to be banned.

Threads has been subject to mass amounts of radicalizing, extremist content, and there have also been instances of users having personal information doxxed on Threads due to Meta’s information-harvesting practices. [1]

Threads was marketed to be open to ‘free speech’ and encouraged the Far-Right movement to join, who have spread extremism, hate, and harassment on Threads already. [3] Threads has been a hotbed of Israel-Palestine misinformation/propaganda. [4]

They fired fact-checkers just prior to Threads’ launch [1], however they claim they will have 3rd party fact-checkers next year. [5]

Meta/FB has a rampant history of illegal and unethical practices, including running experiments on their users which affected their moods and induced depression in many uninformed, non-consenting subjects. [6]

Meta/FB/Instagram also have a strong history of facilitating the spread of misinformation and extremism, which contributed to the January 6th insurrection attempt. [7]

If exploding heads was defederated with because of this sort of toxic extremism, why would you want to federate with a platform plagued by that same content? One known for shortcomings moderating it? And one which comes from a company with a long history of unethical practices regarding users?

With their rampant history of unethical and illegal business practices, I encourage you (the Lemmy. World team) not to federate with Threads for the well-being of the users in this instance. I have consistently seen a larger consensus of Lemmy.World users opposing federation than being interested in it.

A significant portion of Lemmy (in general as well as Lemmy.World) users migrated here from reddit after being disappointed in the reddit administration’s failure to represent their users’ interests. Unlike most of the users on reddit, a significant proportion of the users on Lemmy.World are the active users who cared enough about their principles to leave and start over here.

I have really valued the leadership of Lemmy.World thus far and have donated to you since my first week here, because I believed in this instance and our community. And I still do.

But I will be cancelling my donations and likely finding a different instance whose ethics are more aligned with my own, should you choose to federate with Threads. I have tried to be an active user and promote discussion and sharing content on Lemmy.World. But in federating with Threads, I believe you will lose a lot of active community members like myself.

I sincerely hope you will take this into consideration in making your final decision.

I don’t know if it’s available where you are, but a decent but more entry level brand IMO is Cameron’s Best organic, shade-grown.

I like their breakfast blend and Columbian. If you didn’t know, lighter roasts have a little more caffeine. Source I always go for the light roasts.

If you’re on an instance that doesn’t support it/doing your part to reduce taxing your instance’s server, postimages is a free image hosting site that you can use to link pics.

The format for an image as a link is “[text] (link)” and to embed is “![] (link)” (without the spaces).

The worm logo was heavily featured in Starfield. I liked how they incorporated actual NASA in the game. Same with the real books.

They deleted your account because you said you were going to cause trouble for them.

Man, can you believe I got expelled for spitting in the dean’s face and threatening to wreck the place??

Well, yeah…

What did you expect to happen? Maybe you should read the terms again haha.

I fully support this. I don’t think instances that breed hate and radicalization should be allowed an audience.

I have seen so much propoganda, hate, and lunacy from that instance since I joined Lemmy.

You can have mined materials shipped between outposts, but that’s about all I really know. I only just discovered greenhouses and the way you unlock them is so convoluted. There could be other mechanics that I’m unaware of, but I think you can only ship the raw materials between your outposts.

Pretty unfortunate, but definitely better than defederating. I’m glad there can still be a link to some degree. Hopefully the moderation tools on both platforms improve soon. I appreciate the transparency and willingness to take on more work in order to maintain some link. I think it is important for the integrity of the fediverse. But also important to remember you all are doing this in your spare time.

Nice! Appreciate it.

Those were not working properly at that time of the DDOS attacks. I’m not sure if that’s been fixed now or not tho.

How are they supposed to make announcements if the site is down?.. That was the whole point when there were so many attacks/site outtages.

With the nature of the recent attacks I think it makes perfect sense to take strong precautions necessary to protect the community. Can always refederate when/if the admin gets ahold of the situation.

That’s a testament of your capacity for empathy and being a decent human being. It sucks that you saw it, but it’d be more concerning if it didn’t fuck you up a little. That’s trauma you’ve picked up from witnessing their trauma…

It’s not unreasonable to talk to a mental health professional if you continue to feel troubled by this. There’s no shame in getting help if you need it.

Not enjoying shitposting saved me here too. Like you, I’ve blocked so many meme communities. Not a hater, just not the content I’m interested in.

It saved us here, but who knows where they could end up spamming it next?

You’ve already had to take all that on, don’t add self-blame on top of it. This wasn’t your fault and no reasonable person would blame you. I really feel for what you and the admins have had to endure.

Don’t hesitate to reach out to supports or speak to a mental health professional if you’ve picked up trauma from the shit you’ve had to see. There’s no shame in getting help.

I hope you guys are doing okay having to see all that shit… No shame in reaching out to mental health professionals. Makes me sad imagining you guys picking up emotional baggage and trauma having to see all that to protect the community.

I appreciate you guys looking out for us, but I hope you all have proper support yourselves.

The longer it continues, the more likely that scenario is IMO. Bitter alt-right extremists would probably start losing interest after a short while, whereas social media competitors would stand to gain from long-term interference.