• sciencesebi@feddit.ro
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    11 months ago

    “The first phone with AI built in.”

    LOL Google are dellirious

    What about autocomplete? Face detection? Virtual assistants

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      11 months ago

      “AI” is a pretty meaningless term. It’s impossible to say objectively whether any of the things you mentioned should be considered AI.

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      11 months ago

      No, that might be accurate for what they are talking about. The absolute smallest Generative AI models (that are generally useful) are starting to shrink but are still several GB in size. Doing this on device is actually new.

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        11 months ago

        It says AI not genAI. Anyway, autocomplete is genAI, even though it may be simple glove embeddings and MC.

        You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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          11 months ago

          Do you know how to read?

          Gemini Nano now powers on-device generative AI features for Pixel 8 Pro

          Technically auto complete can be considered Gen AI, but it obviously lacks the creativity that we all associate with Gen AI today. You don’t need a model that is generally useful to do auto complete.

          The point is it didn’t take a generally useful Gen AI model to do auto complete before but Google is now shipping features (beyond auto complete) that use such a model. Gen AI on device is novel.

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            11 months ago

            I was talking about the title, not the 10th paragraph way down. Use your reading skills and tell me where the fuck “generative” is in the title.

            No. Autocomplete is a feature. The model behind it can be gen AI and was for a number of years. IDGAF if it’s not general purpose.

            The point it you have no fucking clue what you’re defending. LLMs and diffusion models have been in apps for months. You can say that General purpose LLMs embedded into mobile OS functions is novel, the rest of it is bullshit.

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              11 months ago

              where the fuck “generative” is in the title

              LLMs and diffusion models have been in apps for months.

              Show me a single example of an app that has an LLM on device. Find a single one that isn’t making an API call to a powerful server running the LLM. Show me the app update that adds a multi gigabyte LLM into the device. I’ll wait…

              Feel free to not respond when you realize you are wrong and you have no clue what everyone else is talking about.

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      11 months ago

      AI is broad enough that it does include those features.

      But it’s probably referring to machine learning.

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        11 months ago

        That’s my point. AI includes features that were added years ago. Even ML is too broad. Autocomplete uses small ML models. Spam filters as well.

        I think they mean LLMs, and specifically distilled BARDs. So a subset of a subset of a subset of AI.

        Neckbeard marketing

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      11 months ago

      What about autocomplete? Face detection? Virtual assistants

      How much of that is really built-in vs. offloaded to their cloud then cached locally (or just not usable offline, like Assistant)?

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          11 months ago

          Services running in GCP aren’t built into the phone, which is kinda the main point of the statement you took issue with.

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            11 months ago

            What does that have to do with CACHING? That’s client server.

            No clue what you’re talking about

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          That’s the entire point. Running the LLM on device is what’s new here…

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              11 months ago

              I can’t find a single production app that uses MLC LLM (because of the reasons I listed earlier (like multi GB models that aren’t garbage).

              Qualcomm announcement is a tech demo and they promised to actually do it next year…

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                Who said about production and non-garbage? We’re not talking quality of responses or spread. You can use distilled roberta for all I give a fuck. We’re talking if they’re the first. They’re not.

                Are they the first to embed a LLM in an OS? Yes. A model with over x Bn params? Maybe, probably.

                But they ARE NOT the first to deploy gen AI on mobile.

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                  You’re just moving the goal posts. I ran an LLM on device in an Android app I built a month ago. Does that make me first to do it? No. They are the first to production with an actual product.