Well, I’m not applying the logic to an altruistic act. I am applying it to a group of people that claim to be altruists, when they are really nothing more than self-serving ideologues with a nice sounding motive.
Ok forget about the vegans, bunch of preachy, sanctimonious, self-centered assholes every single one. Do you, as a non-hypocritical person with certain principles, think the exploitation of sentient beings is unethical and should be boycotted?
No- I know what you’re trying to go for, because it’s the same argument every Vegan thinks is their coup de grace. I, as a thinking person, am able to kill and use other animals to eat, for clothing, for protection, or for whatever else I need. I do not believe it is more or less moral to be vegan than it is to eat meat or use animal products. Are you able to prove that the plants you “exploit” aren’t sentient? No. Because sentience and life are not easily defined terms. Anyways, have a good rest of your life.
it is but it’s such a tedious point to argue I’m just not gonna. If you truly believe that plants are sentient and that picking a salad is the same as slaughtering a newborn (and lets be real here, you don’t) then you should still go vegan to minimize death of sentient life. Or starve, either way is fine by me.
So it’s okay to cause pain to plants, because they don’t react to the stimuli the same way as animals? That’s what your link claims. Sounds like y’all are on a foundation of salt and sand. Plants are sentient, just not sapient.
They dont have a nervous system you dumb fuck and even if they feel pain
Regardless, each pound of animal flesh requires between four and thirteen pounds of plant matter to produce, depending upon species and conditions. Given that amount of plant death, a belief in the sentience of plants makes a strong pro-vegan argument.
Is there any altruistic act that you couldn’t apply that logic to?
Well, I’m not applying the logic to an altruistic act. I am applying it to a group of people that claim to be altruists, when they are really nothing more than self-serving ideologues with a nice sounding motive.
So you agree that veganism is the moral option but dont like vegans because they just pretend to be more moral?
No, I just don’t care for moral grandstanding.
Ok forget about the vegans, bunch of preachy, sanctimonious, self-centered assholes every single one. Do you, as a non-hypocritical person with certain principles, think the exploitation of sentient beings is unethical and should be boycotted?
No- I know what you’re trying to go for, because it’s the same argument every Vegan thinks is their coup de grace. I, as a thinking person, am able to kill and use other animals to eat, for clothing, for protection, or for whatever else I need. I do not believe it is more or less moral to be vegan than it is to eat meat or use animal products. Are you able to prove that the plants you “exploit” aren’t sentient? No. Because sentience and life are not easily defined terms. Anyways, have a good rest of your life.
Dont have to, already done:
https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive/resources
this isn’t proof plants aren’t sentient
it is but it’s such a tedious point to argue I’m just not gonna. If you truly believe that plants are sentient and that picking a salad is the same as slaughtering a newborn (and lets be real here, you don’t) then you should still go vegan to minimize death of sentient life. Or starve, either way is fine by me.
So it’s okay to cause pain to plants, because they don’t react to the stimuli the same way as animals? That’s what your link claims. Sounds like y’all are on a foundation of salt and sand. Plants are sentient, just not sapient.
They dont have a nervous system you dumb fuck and even if they feel pain
Kicking a tree is the same as kicking a horse got it.
It’s not about being perfect it’s about reducing harm.