Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

Thank you,

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  • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
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    this is why I was hesitant to list more examples, because I knew I might get a five-seconds-on-google shotgun response like this and then I would have to write an arduous reply with a lot more effort than you put in, and in the time it takes me to write that reply people see a few paragraphs with links and assume you wrote a slam dunk.

    fuck it, I’m posting this now and then editing in more stuff as I go

    for starters, your scary-looking “misinformation circulation online” link is talking about death figures due to the bombing. That’s not the fucking point, the point is the removal of Qaddafi and the ensuing power vacuum and political breakdown in Libya. You get there in your next sentence, where you act like you’re correcting me (and misspell Libya), but then take all the blame off NATO with a vague wave of the hand. Who do you think overthrew Qaddafi? Who armed and supported the rebels? Who bombed his fucking motorcade?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44234613

    Through months of military stalemate in Libya it was an open secret among NATO allies that countries inside and outside the alliance were quietly but crucially helping rebels gain their footing against the much stronger forces loyal to longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

    Covert forces, private contractors and U.S. intelligence assets were thrown into the fight in an undercover campaign operating separately from the NATO command structure. Targeted bombings methodically took out Gadhafi’s key communications facilities and weapons caches. And an increasing number of American hunter-killer drones provided round-the-clock surveillance as the rebels advanced.

    These largely unseen hands helped to transform the ragtag rebel army into the force storming Tripoli.

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/covert-teams-from-nato-members-provided-critical-assistance-to-libyan-rebels/

    (warning, Atlantic Council link)

    As the battle in Libya appeared at stalemate, it was an open secret that foreign military advisers were working covertly inside the country providing guidance to rebels and giving tactical intelligence to NATO aircraft bombing government forces. […] The assistance included logisticians, security advisers and forward air controllers for the rebel army, as well as intelligence operatives, damage assessment analysts and other experts, according to a diplomat based at NATO’s headquarters in Brussels. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue. […] Foreign military advisers on the ground provided key real-time intelligence to the rebels, enabling them to maximize their limited firepower against the enemy.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/france-sent-arms-to-libyan-rebels/2011/06/29/AGcBxkqH_story.html

    French officials announced Wednesday that they had armed rebels in Libya, marking the first time a NATO country has said it was providing direct military aid to opponents of the government in a conflict that has lasted longer than many policymakers expected.

    Surprise, it was the fine countries of NATO!

    I wonder what sort of motives NATO countries had to intervene in Libya?

    https://www.foia.state.gov/Search/results.aspx?searchText=C05779612&beginDate=&endDate=&publishedBeginDate=&publishedEndDate=&caseNumber=

    According to these individuals Sarkozy’s plans are driven by the following issues:

    a. A desire to gain a greater share of Libya oil production,

    b. Increase French influence in North Africa,

    c. Improve his internal political situation in France,

    d. Provide the French military with an opportunity to reassert its position in the world,

    e. Address the concern of his advisors over Qaddafi’s long term plans to supplant France as the dominant power in Francophone Africa)

    Shit, it was oil and imperialism!

    And what about the public reasons for the intervention?

    https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/

    Article title: U.K. Parliament report details how NATO’s 2011 war in Libya was based on lies

    subtitle: British investigation: Gaddafi was not going to massacre civilians; Western bombing made Islamist extremism worse

    […]

    The Libya inquiry, which was launched in July 2015, is based on more than a year of research and interviews with politicians, academics, journalists and more. The report, which was released on Sept. 14, reveals the following:

    • Qaddafi was not planning to massacre civilians. This myth was exaggerated by rebels and Western governments, which based their intervention on little intelligence.
    • The threat of Islamist extremists, which had a large influence in the uprising, was ignored — and the NATO bombing made this threat even worse, giving ISIS a base in North Africa.
    • France, which initiated the military intervention, was motivated by economic and political interests, not humanitarian ones.
    • The uprising — which was violent, not peaceful — would likely not have been successful were it not for foreign military intervention and aid. Foreign media outlets, particularly Qatar’s Al Jazeera and Saudi Arabia’s Al Arabiya, also spread unsubstantiated rumors about Qaddafi and the Libyan government.
    • The NATO bombing plunged Libya into a humanitarian disaster, killing thousands of people and displacing hundreds of thousands more, transforming Libya from the African country with the highest standard of living into a war-torn failed state.

    Well shit, this all sounds a lot like Iraq. Why do we keep falling for the same bullshit over and over and over again?

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      and misspell Libya

      First of all get out of here with your angsty corrections of anybody’s misspellings like it matters. English is not my first language and I take shortcuts to remember spellings. That’s some playground shit and I expect you to act like an adult.

      Second, limit your arrogance, which is also part of my original point. If I started arguing something about any of my fields of study and you seem less versed, that doesn’t give me the right to berate you for it.

      Third, stick to the point. If you want to argue specifics about each of those events that’s fine and I’m taking the time to follow up. But keep in mind my original argument: that you are willing to exaggerate and misrepresent your points in order to undermine the West while turning a blind eye on other countries and interests that you favor while at the same time being arrogant about it.

      • mycorrhiza they/them@lemmy.ml
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        If I started arguing something about any of my fields of study and you seem less well versed, that doesn’t give me the right to berate you for it

        what if I acted like I was well-versed and scoffed at your opinions about a subject you knew more than me about?

        limit your arrogance

        it’s not arrogance, it’s frustration. That’s also why I pointed out the misspelling, to point out that you don’t know about this topic and yet you are confident in your opinions about it.

        Libya is not an English word, it’s a country name — but that said, I didn’t consider that your language might use a totally different script, e.g., in Chinese, Libya is 利比亚