It’s not a joke if it’s true
It’s not true, though. The Marxists, safely behind a wall, convinced the undecideds to give the gun to the Fascist.
No they didn’t, what a boring take divorced from reality.
If liberals ever critically analyzed reality they’d be marxists.
Will the liberals ever grow up and take responsibility for they doing?
Liberals didn’t vote for Trump.
Kamalla was an infinitely better candidate if you value human life. Kamala wanted to tax the rich, Trump wants to cut their taxes AGAIN. How can anybody call themself a communist when they empower wealthy theocratic oligopoly?
Leftists didn’t vote for Trump as far as I imagine. Your argument is stupid. The question is why would leftist vote for Harris when Biden demonstrated he wouldn’t do anything more than what Democrats did in the last 50 years?
If they didn’t vote for Harris, as 6.27 Million former Biden votes stayed home, then they effectively did support the Trump presidency. Just like the Tankies told them to, to “reject the duopoly”. Every Democrat in the last 50 years made things better than they were before. Even Lindon B Johnson promoted more “socialism” than you ever have, 60 years ago.
And that is a lie the liberals tell to themselves. Liberals we’re in charge. They chose to gift promises to the right, expecting the left to vote for them only to fight fascism. The responsibility is to Harris and her side only. Now you deal with fascism and liberals are still trying to deflect their responsibilities, and that’s disgusting a good reason enough to consider them a part of the fascist problem itself.
Marxists in America are a rounding error. This is the first time I’ve seen someone spend too much time on Lemmy.
They’re a very vocal and organized minority, and it is very clear to see their misinformation has had huge impacts on undecided voters.
That is not very clear to see at all.
6.27 Million people who voted for Biden didn’t show up to vote for Harris, giving the USA Election to Donald Trump. The Both-Sides-Bad Centrism mental disease is rampant among the left and it’s being heavily promoted and endorsed by Tankie trolls and bots, including TikTok as a whole.
If Marxists could get 6.27M people to listen to them, you think they’d waste it on an election? Kamala simply ran an out-of-touch campaign.
Pick a man’s pocket and he’ll hate you.
Convince a man that others are picking their pockets and he’ll give you his money.
Reminds me of a joke on a Bright Eyes song.
“There’s a Communist and an Anarchist in a car who’s driving? The cop.”
So basically there are 2 fascists in the room.
Scratch a liberal…
Meme-maker probably didn’t vote.
Yeah, Kamala lost because of that one vote. It’s all op’s fault.
Lemmy.world is such a weird place, man. I also like how in the propaganda version, LW is like this crazy liberal place where you will get banned for saying what based on this comment and voting is clearly the majority view.
So this story actually happened, in 1932 Germany. No one had the gun at the beginning. The liberal said to the Marxist, “Holy shit that guy is really dangerous, let’s stop him.” The Marxist said “FUCK YOU YOU’RE REALLY DANGEROUS” and started swinging his fists in every direction. The liberal was still trying to talk with the establishment conservative, to gang up on the fascist, while the Marxist was still windmilling to no particular purpose, when the fascist got the gun. The first one he shot, of course, was the Marxist. The anarchist stood in the corner, facing away from the room, and said that turning around would be giving consent to what was going on, and so he refused to do it.
The Marxist, wounded, left the room, what was left of him, and found the communist room. When he got there, the communists shot him, and killed him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany and search for “KPD leaders purged by Stalin”
The poster isn’t from world, but yeah theres a constant external pressure from tankies. Its even worse on instances that didnt defederate from Hexbear.
The liberal said to the Marxist, “Holy shit that guy is really dangerous, let’s stop him.”
The liberal in question had spent the last decade handing military equipment to the freikorps to massacre communists before staffing the cabinet with fascists and making Hitler chancellor.
The liberal in question had spent the last decade handing military equipment to the brownshirts to massacre communists
Citation?
They also hadn’t been massacring, that I know of, it was street fighting, almost all non-fatal. You can show me if I’m wrong, though, that’s just my impression.
before staffing the cabinet with fascists
and making Hitler chancellor
Incorrect. The conservatives did both of those things. The liberals had gotten castrated by the refusal of the KDP to work with them in any respect, and so they couldn’t really do anything against either the KDP or the fascists, and so the left went down as did the liberals as did the rest of the establishment, without any unified front against the fascists. But the liberals had tried very explicitly to ally with the KDP against the fascists, and the KDP refused, calling the social democrats “the main enemy.”
I am sure there is some portion of blame to go to the SDP as well. Pointing fingers after a catastrophe is a time-honored tradition and maybe not a useful one. My point was that in the one real-world example of this that I know of, the Marxists absolutely refused to form a coalition against the fascists, if it meant they would have to work with the liberals, and the fascists were able to win amongst all the leftist infighting. So the particular brand of finger-pointing that exists in OP’s meme definitely has a real-world counterexample.
I actually don’t think there is a strong enough left in the US for this to be a useful model of what just happened in the recent election here. But it wasn’t for lack of trying, by the portion of the supposed far-left that is on Lemmy.
citation
https://annas-archive.org/md5/c483c46aa433ad04d44312e860111d6f
It references descriptions from 1919 where the bodies overwhelmed the city’s capacity to store them, and were rotting in the streets, and egbert’s use of the freikorps and other right-wing paramilitaries to kill communists (including Rosa)
There was also a massacre of sailors with one survivor I can’t seem to find any reference to.
The conservatives did both of those things
Egbert is the one who nominated Hindenburg, who made the actual handover.
the liberals had tried very explicitly to ally with the KDP against the fascists
They held a rally calling for unity, in which they called for everyone to vote for Hindenburg in the name of unity. That is not an attempt at unity, that is an attempt to make themselves seem like reasonable moderates.
Naturally the KDP ran on the slogan “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war”
Wait: So after the KDP tried to do a violent revolution against the fragile post-first-revolution government of 1919, including explicitly rejecting the idea of holding elections because they might not go the KDP’s way, they were still so butthurt about the fashion in which the rest of the government had defended itself against getting shot and overthrown, that a generation later they still couldn’t stomach the idea of getting together with the SDP even to ally against literal Hitler. Even though the SDP by that point didn’t give a shit about their own attempted overthrow anymore, and just didn’t want the Nazis. And in your mind, that’s all the SDP’s fault for not just getting shot or exiled, like the KDP had in mind in 1919.
Like I said: The real life example is very different than the meme. The Marxist tried to shoot the liberal 13 years before, and was still so upset about the shooting-back that they got, and so, the windmilling and FUCK YOU. Great. Sounds like a fun bunch to interact with. Oh, and also, when they finally DID get in charge of things in the East, after the war, it was a fucking nightmare that lasted for decades. Which was part of the SDP’s objection to it in the first place. Great stuff.
So, three authoritarians, and only two get to survive.
I feel like wanting to kill 3/4ths of the population is part of some ideologies, but i wouldn’t count anarchy among them.
Yes, that’s why I said three authoritarians. The Nazis, and the two groups that have historically worked with them at several points.
“Do you know why people don’t like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so fucking smart, how come they lose so god damn always?” - Will MacAvoy, Newsroom
Imagine having 4 years to prepare
With all the state apparatus behind them announcing day and night that Trump was “literally the worst human bean ever”
Basically all the universities and all the highly educated population by their side
With massive approval from their voter base
With huge sums of money for propaganda in the private media.
With all the considerably large powers of the current executive
Able to pass laws
Able to influence worldwide political movements to bash their opposition at any time through grants
Able to start or stop wars worldwide should the need arise
And they still lost to Trump LMAO 🤣
Democrats lost the 2024 election in the 2020 election. Biden was a moderate that solved nothing, making poor white people angrier.
The only ways to make poor white people less angry will make billionaires angry.
They’ve run against him three times, and lost more than half the time. Who wants to bet they’ll win in four years when Trump decides to ignore the Constitution and run again?
All because they were unwilling to admit that the working class is struggling and that they were complicit in a genocide.
They’re a liberal. They give the gun but sell the bullets.
And then blame the Party for not providing more attractive choices.
Nah, those are the far-left authoritarians AKA tankies
You don’t have to be authoritarian to think Dems shit the bed.
I mean
Consequentially saying the dems are shit resulted in authoritarianism
So yeah
But what that user was saying is that 90% of the posts on Lemmy about Dems shitting beds are made by Tankies who unapologetically support Trump and Putin.
How many centuries of power would the Democrat need to do what they’re elected for?
The last time Dems had the power to pass almost everything they wanted we got almost universal healthcare. So, I’d venture to say a single 4 year term of no-coalition-required dem control would do it, but a decent chunk of the Supreme Court would have to croak first, or get impeached I guess but I’m not sure how that works for the SC.
FYI, this is pretty much what the Republicans have right now, it’s called a trifecta. Unless a few more of Republicans suddenly sprout a moral compass, we are well and truly fucked.
No, we got a massive hand out to insurance companies in exchange for letting everyone get insurance (if they can afford it)
Things like standards of care have killed private practice and have made it so where the required paperwork is a larger part of a doctor’s job than medicine. It helped the consolidation of health systems, which has made the problems far bigger
Let’s not forget, this concept was an older plan by the heritage foundation (who have released countless hits like project 2025) to avoid universal healthcare. The Democrats then negotiated it to be worse from there
All of that was the direct result of having a coalition majority and not a dem super majority. If the Dems had a trifecta without having to rely on “Dems” from red states basically just being Republicans from the 80’s, it would have been better. Keep in mind 34 Democrats still voted against the ACA. It was a shoestring and bubblegum coalition that broke down immediately in political terms. Shitloads of compromises because they had to bring in support from those conservative “Dems”.
(US politics actually has several sub-party groups that don’t identify as a party independent from their actual party.)
Consequentially saying the dems are shit resulted in authoritarianism
More like, the dems being shit resulted in authoritarianism. Republicans fight hard to implement fascism, democrats fight hard to keep the status quo, even as it grows more fascist.
democrats fight hard
to keep the status quoto get money from their donors.I’m not kidding, everything about the Democrats starts making sense when you look at them through this lens, right down to their praising Nancy Pelosi for her fundraising ability. They don’t care about votes as long as they get their money.
Fighting for the people means they lose the capitalists that want to make profit from those people without intervention, so they won’t do it except to the extent that it keeps up the appearance of being a viable party. Anything else would be bad for business.
They can’t be anti-war and anti-genocide because they won’t get money from weapons manufacturers and other war profiteers.
They can’t be anti-oil or anti-coal because they won’t get money from the wealthiest profiteers of the energy sector.
They can’t fight for public transport because they would lose the automotive industry.
They can’t go after landlords and their vacant homes (instead choosing to address the housing crisis through exclusionary benefits and deregulation) because they will lose the real estate moguls.
They can’t fight for universal healthcare because they will lose the insurance and healthcare executives.
They can’t allow third parties to be viable because it would encroach on their fundraising.
And they absolutely cannot name the economic recession for what it is or challenge republicans by giving real reasons for it because they would have to attack their donors to do so.
The only moment any of this changes is when their gaslighting ceases to work on the voters, and they make concessions in order to remain relevant. But they will always return to form as soon as the voters divert their attention, which makes the Republican spectacle actually really convenient for them. So it also makes a lot of sense why the Democrats would have propped up Trump for the 2016 election, and then re-hired the same campaign managers that lost that election for the 2024 election.
All this to say; the Democrats are not the answer. Do not fall for their rhetoric.
Lol sure Okay so you think millions of people who voted for biden were right to stay home in 2024?
Doesn’t that just make you a Donald Trump Supporter?
The old orange man cut all funding to hospitals, research, education, SNAP, regulatory bodies, veteran care, and meals delivery service for the elderly. People are suffering and dying because of those stay home voters. Because they didn’t think Kamala eas “good enough.”
How is that supposed to be a riddle?
The only actual threat in the room is the fascist. Anarchists aren’t actually dangerous, they’re just annoying, they never actually do anything they just talk a lot.
The Marxist won’t kill you either. They’ll just argue with you.
There are violent and nonviolent ideologues on all sides of the political spectrum. There have been violent Marxists, fascists, anarchists, liberals, vegans. Just the same, there have been nonviolent members of all of these ideologies. I wouldn’t consider some tankie or neofash teen making hexbear or /pol/ posts in their bedroom to be violent.
I would say that the fascist and the Marxist are equally threatening to my safety, all else equal.
Nah, the fascist and marxist work together to kill everyone else
That would never happen in a million years
Ironic
Calling Stalin a Marxist is like calling the Nazi party socialists, or North Korea a democracy.
They can use whatever words they like in their ideology/party/country’s name but it doesn’t mean a thing.
Shoot the fascist twice
That’s what I would do lmao. Fuck that guy
Fascist shoots the liberal and the anarchist
Historically speaking, the Nazis literally first built the camps to put Marxists in.
Of course they started with 6 bullets but the liberal and the fascist liked to pass the gun around and take pot shots at the marxist every so often so the marxist couldn’t ever influence or overpower them. This is just the moment the liberal realized there were only two bullets left.
I died laughing in class😂
The Marxists, safely behind a wall, convinced the Undecideds to give the gun to the Fascists.
When you definitely understand marxism
This person is ideologically opposed to doing even the most cursory research on marxism and dialectical materialism but thinks they have authority to speak on it, throughout this thread.
No wonder they think half of lemmy is “overrun with CCP trolls and bots”, they are completely uncurious and, in fact, hostile when it comes to information that contradicts their worldview.
It’s especially funny of them to throw around the word “propagandist” like that’s not precisely what they are doing.
I have them tagged as a Nazi sympathizers after they repeatedly defended Nazis months back
They continue to pretend that didn’t happen, which is cute
They’re absolutely unwilling to un-stupid themselves
I’ve never defended nazis but thats pretty rich coming from both-sides-bad centrists who empowered Donald Trump.
both-sides-bad
I do say that, but critically I do not say both sides equally bad or in the same way
centrists
Lol, not a centrist
who empowered Donald Trump
Voted for Harris here in California, where my vote wouldn’t have mattered had it been for anyone else anyway and actively vandalized trump signs in my area, but go ahead and pretend I in any way helped get orange man elected if it makes you feel better
Your entire ideology and reading list is lofty word salad, the historical impact of these texts when used to promote policy is systemic collapse resulting in mass death in multiple nations in multiple eras, directly responsible for the rise of the two biggest militaristic dictatorships one of which is currently threatening to start a thermonuclear war to end all life on earth if we don’t surrender more land to them.
Tankies are all self-described marxists but Marx would vomit if he saw them supporting Donald Trump running up to the election while using his name as a club.
This is all just political tribalism. China and Russia are engaging in and promoting discussions of Marxism in the USA. Capitalism has no meaning to them except “Western World Power”. They do not want America to be saved they are celebrating the chaos and suffering.
Okay well there was a guy named Karl Marx who wrote in the mid-late 1800s, and if you read his books, they are very good
If you can’t delineate between Marxism and Russia/China then you’re being intentionally obtuse. I promise you, that the Marx that I am intimately familiar with has nothing to do with them. They came after him. I’m morbidly curious about how you would describe the history of China and Russia.
All I’m saying is that reading hard books is good for your brain. Also can you please define “chaos” and “suffering” because I wouldn’t want to misunderstand how you define those things.
All I’m saying is that reading hard books is good for your brain. Also can you please define “chaos” and “suffering” because I wouldn’t want to misunderstand how you define those things.
Let’s talk about that and also about Socialism in the same breath then, the state as controlled by the people stepping in to promote widespread equality and redistribution of goods based on needs is very clearly fitting the definition of Socialism. In the 1960s Democrat President Lindon B Johnson signed into law anti-discrimination laws “The Civil Rights Act of 1964” and also FOOD STAMPS. The Civil Rights Act, later expanded to include even more protected classes such as impairment and disability, didn’t have a good way of being enforced for things like hiring preferences, though, so we implemented DEI hiring practices, and Food Stamps were replaced with the SNAP program. Removal of that is death and suffering. Trump is gutting both of these things and countless other programs people relied upon.
Tankies supported the Donald Trump presidency on their own instances, promoted abstaining from voting Harris on other instances. A bunch of fake Marxists/Lenninists are CRAWLING all over this post’s comments supporting that death and suffering. The real communists all died (sometimes) honourable deaths a long time ago, the terms used in this post are nothing but dog-whistles and mental gymnastics to promote anti-USA and anti-NATO policies, like those of Donald Trump, Russia, and China.
That’s pretty good, I agree with your definition of suffering then.
So how do you describe someone who identifies as a marxist communist but not a tankie? Say someone who even got banned from some comms on “tankie” instances for defending criticism (albeit left criticism) of, for example, the government of Cuba?
It seems like there is still some disconnect. For example how does modern day Russia play into all this? They aren’t remotely socialist, they gutted all the socialism out, similar to the suffering you describe now, back in the early 90s. Not trying to equivocate just understand. China has abandoned Marxism in all but an academic sense. The current government is a descendent of “capitalist roader” Dengism, and pres Xi said that China no longer recognizes the class struggle. To me, that’s what makes socialists, participating in class struggle. We know China hasn’t abolished class so they have abandoned Marx.
As for the other stuff, even if it aligns with the schemes of Russia, maybe China, cant you conceive of any reason whatsoever as to why someone might want the USA to be weakened, other than a strict alignment Roth the goals of Russia and China? The USA has done a lot of horrible things, and it isn’t fair to strawman every USA defeatist as a Russian op.
So how do you describe someone who identifies as a marxist communist but not a tankie?
I call that a kid being manipulated by the wrong crowd. You can support intelligent social policy without aligning yourself with the USS fucking R.
As for the other stuff, even if it aligns with the schemes of Russia, maybe China, cant you conceive of any reason whatsoever as to why someone might want the USA to be weakened
Because they’re hostile militaristic dictatorships which want to expand their borders but people keep getting in their way.
Okay wait, I didn’t say the USS fucking R I said Marxist communist. You’re putting things in there that don’t belong, and I shouldn’t have to eliminate every movement of the last 150 years that I don’t want to be associated with. Marxist communist.
As for being a child, I’m far from it. Unless you’d like to insult me straight up and infantalize what I’ve spent a long time understanding and explaining to people (mostly to help avoid confusion and campism among other Marxists.) While you and I really don’t agree, I doubt you’d call the last several years of my life that I’ve been a socialist organizer a project that is anti-usa. I’m no fan of imperialism, and the USA is the core, and I’ll fight it when possible. That doesn’t align me with Russia and China, it aligns me with justice and truth.
The USA is not rational, global capitalism is not rational. When China behaves IMO pretty rationally for a global power, it goes against the interests of the USA. This is how imperialism and class war turn reason into anti-reason, which anyone with eyes and ears can see is the law of the land here. You can’t look at the world and be like “this makes sense” and that isn’t completely the fault of foreign interests, which def exist and behave maliciously. But again, that doesn’t make unreason into reason.
